jelly batch

[zatawitono]

hello guys , this is my first batch
first , i heat up wvo untill 47celcius .
then i mix methoxide that contain 4 liter and 350 gram naoh
after that i put more 12 liter methanol .
mixing around 1.1/2 hour .
then let it separate around 1 hours .
then who knows 1 batch of it become jelly .

question : what cause it become jelly ?

[Tony]

Almost certainly water, either in the oil, or because the methanol isn't pure.

How are you removing the water from your oil before processing?  Did you do a hot pan test?

http://www.biopowered.co.uk/wiki/Hot_pan_test

[julianf]

Some jellies can be cracked by adding *more* catalyst and meth, however, certainly not all - so do a test.

If you just add more to the wrong type, it will go from jelly to hard lump.

[zatawitono]

this is my jelly batch after  do that process . please give me advise .

thanks a lot .

[Julian]

What was the feedstock?

Photos look like you have liquid on the top and something quite substantial below.

[zatawitono]

The feed stock is wvo.  actually that is no liqiud on the top.  later i use my hand to stir it.  Later i founded that has a liqiud that already mixed up with jelly and the liqiud feels very cool like methanol

[Julian]

You don't want to be sticking your hand it!!!!

Methanol can be absorbed through the skin ... believe me I know!

Was it all liquid oil with no whites?  You need to get the oil to at least 80 - 85°C and run a venturi and condenser or pump it in a gentle spray (lots of ideas on the wiki) to get it really dry.

As has been said above try reprocessing a small sample.

[Tony]

That looks like what I made with creamy oil from a Chinese restaurant during my first year of biodiesel brewing.  Resembled turds and was totally unpumpable.  The only batch in years of biodiesel making I didn't manage to recover.

[zatawitono]

Thanks for your advise.

So the problem here is.  the wvo has alot water? 
No white mean? Sorry i dont get it

[zatawitono]

That looks like what I made with creamy oil from a Chinese restaurant during my first year of biodiesel brewing.  Resembled turds and was totally unpumpable.  The only batch in years of biodiesel making I didn't manage to recover.

So how you set those creamy oil?  can make it into biodiesel?

[Tony]

By "whites" people mean nasty creamy oil.  The only way is to boil the water out (it stinks!). I heat my oil to over 100C, but you can do it at a lower temperature with a diffuser - see:

http://www.biopowered.co.uk/wiki/Diffuser

[zatawitono]

can i ask now ?

how to clean up this tank ?

thanks all .

[julianf]

Did you get glycerol out before it turned to jelly?

If so...

Take a small amount (1 ltr etc) and add 150ml more methanol, with 3g of caustic added to it (mix the methanol and caustic before additing them to the 1 ltr)

Heat to about 60c, and shake or stir the mixture quite a bit.  Then leave it to stand / cool back to the same temperature as the rest.  Dont keep prodding it, just let it be.

See if the result is a harder jelly, or a 'cure'.

There is no solution without some tests / experiments as not all batches work the same.  You need to test, and find a solution that works - people can tell you the tests, but not what the final conclusion will be : (

[rbdazza]

can i ask now ?

how to clean up this tank ?

thanks all .

climb in with a trowel and dig it out, messy business this game..

[zatawitono]

can i ask now ?

how to clean up this tank ?

thanks all .

climb in with a trowel and dig it out, messy business this game..

im not sure , that is the solution .