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Comparison shop your utility bills NOW!
« on: January 29, 2015, 01:34:55 PM »
Ages ago I'd signed up for http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cheapenergyclub & this morning I got an email saying the gas & electricity deal I had taken out only 5 months ago could be bettered.

I clicked through & found the deal I had taken in August 2014 could be beaten by 25% by the same company currently supplying me! There was one other company which was 6 quid pa cheaper, but I would face a £60 leaving charge

A five minute call to my current G & E supplier & I had the new rate.

Did the same for a non-computer using retired friend who has a much bigger house & utility bill & he switched tariff, staying with the same company but now with no leaving fee, & saved £587 pa! The deal he'd taken out was the best we could find available online in March 2014.

Defo worth a check.

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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2015, 01:46:39 PM »
As i would rather not borrow from the lives future generations such as i can have an even wider screen tv, im somewhat limited to suppliers.

(there are only a very small number of companies who will not use nuclear power to push the electrons to my house)
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2015, 02:01:30 PM »
I can not think how they filter out the the offending electricity from the national grid.

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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2015, 02:59:11 PM »
Sorry if I offend was trying to be humerus not smart.

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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2015, 03:13:45 PM »
I would happily buy 100% nuclear and certainly eldest would be happy for us to do so too.  The French have it right in my book.

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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2015, 03:51:26 PM »
I agree with Tony. I have no problem with nuclear. I do have a problem with coal/oil/gas, which you could consider hypocritical given the industry I work in.

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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2015, 03:59:17 PM »
Coal, which currently accounts for about a third of our energy, isn't exactly nuclear isotope free either:


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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2015, 04:18:50 PM »
The way i see it is -

Nuclear is not 100% reliable.  If you look at the time line, serious accidents have happened, and continue to happen.

Every time there is an issue, and a lot of the time when there isnt even an 'incident', long tinespan isotopes are release into the environment at large.

These dont 'go-away' ever.  "Ever" is relative.  I looked up this from a post on naviton i made 'during' the fukishima incident -

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238 94Pu Half-life 87.7 years
239 94Pu Half-life 24,200 years
240 94Pu Half-life 6563 years
241 94Pu Half-life 14 years
242 94Pu Half-life 373,300 years

Do Plutonium isotopes increase incidence of cancers?
Do Plutonium isotopes diminish in a resonable time frame, when released into the environment?
Will the nuclear industry continue to have 'incidents' releasing long lived isotopes into the environment?

The answer to #1 is yes.
The answer to #2 is no.
The answer to #3 is 'inconclusive' (but im happy to take any wager anyone will offer me ; )

Event that last line - the fukishma "incident" - implies its finished.  The site clean up will extend beyond some of our lives, and the fall-out will extend beyond the lives of our grand-children's grandchildren.  "Ever" is not eternity, in the absolute.  But, on the scale of things, it may as well be.


These things get about.  There was that study on strontium isotopes in the milk teeth of infants - peaks corresponding the bikini atoll tests all over the globe.  And then that satalite that burnt up - one of the american Transit units - every latitude.



All our electricity here comes from true renewables - solar, hydro, biomass CHP etc.  I cant remember what the exact numbers were, but, when i signed up, it was cheaper then EDF.

Id rather buy power from UK renewables than French nuclear even if it wasnt cheaper...




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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2015, 04:20:14 PM »
dont you live in cornwall?
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2015, 04:43:21 PM »
I dont believe any company can claim all the power they supply you comes from renewables. All the power goes through the same grid network. If a big hydro generator goes offline, the network will balance out with the other stations carrying the load.
Ultimately the electricity that I buy at my house from edf is exactly the same as my neighbours who might buy theirs from scottish hydro
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2015, 04:44:37 PM »
You might well be right Julian. I agree nuclear isn't without risk.

The problem is we have an insatiable appetite for energy. To supply that energy, currently, there are only two technologies that can create it: Burn dinosaurs, Burn atoms.

I take the view that the risk associated with climate change far outweighs the risk of radiation damage.

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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2015, 05:16:25 PM »
I deleted my previous post, least it seem as if i was at war with Richard...

But the important bit was -

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The electrons are pushed into my house from all over.
I only pay one company to push them.
They only buy from (use) non-nuclear sources.


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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2015, 05:34:55 PM »
You might well be right Julian. I agree nuclear isn't without risk.

The problem is we have an insatiable appetite for energy. To supply that energy, currently, there are only two technologies that can create it: Burn dinosaurs, Burn atoms.

I take the view that the risk associated with climate change far outweighs the risk of radiation damage.

Consumption will always drive supply.  People "want".

Which was the thought behind my comment -

"i would rather not borrow from the lives future generations such as i can have an even wider screen tv"

The way i look at it is, if we produce a whole load of CO2 etc today, it will probably make a mess of things in the medium term.  By "make a mess" i, of course, mean major environmental impact, things going seriously wrong, etc.etc.

But, that's medium term stuff.  We will either get through it, or we wont.  But its still not the sort of figures that youre looking at with atomic half lives.
As you and i well know, "half life" is, in itself, a mis-interpreted term.  I would imagine that if you polled 100 people, the answers "the time taken for a radioactive isotope to become harmless" would repeat again and again.



I got towed off the M25 the other week.  The tow truck driver had only been in the job a short while, as his previous job had folded.  He was in offshore wind farm installation.

I asked him why it had folded.  Because the governement wanted EDF to build hinkley point.  So they manipulated the wholesale prices (as i understand) to entice EDF in, by guaranteeing them for the next 25yrs.

The next bit, i was told, but have not verified - the money had to come from somwhere, so the wholsale rate for wind gen was cut.

If the above is true, then the government manipulated the figures to support nuclear over renewables.  Because in the short term, that seemed like their best option.  Which it might have been.  In the short term.

Necessity is the mother of invention and all that.  Can you imagine how much more appealing low energy living would become if the power was realistically priced (as in taking into account the negative externalities)? 

Nuclear has always been subsidised.  Be it in the obvious Windscape for the arms race way, or by the children of tomorrow.  There is no perfect option, but you have to do what you feel is right.  And, in light of that, i would rather not use the health of humanity to power my wide-screen tv.

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I was thinking only today, about bunding, and how the environment agency would probably dislike a load of peoples set-ups here.  And the fact that, is it B12 (the most polluted place in western europe) is leaking...  Noone even knows what's in those pools.
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2015, 06:43:48 PM »
julian, how far from newquay are you?
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2015, 07:38:32 PM »
julian, how far from newquay are you?

'bout 2hrs.  Why's that?
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