non titration 2 stage

[hifly]

I have make a page for non titration processing by editing the data from the 2 stage page , let me know if its ok of if i have done somthing wrong.

you may want to check my spelling and add a few back links.

Cheers

hifly

[Tony]

Hey looks good! 

Linky: http://www.biopowered.co.uk/wiki/Two_stage_process_with_no_titration

I've resaved the front page so it's automatically included in the list of links.

I've also tidied the page up a bit, nothing drastic though.

[Rotary-Motion]

very nice chap! 

[Julian]

Nice page, well done Vince.

There's a bit of a discrepancy with the 3/27 page which says the test isn't quantitative.  It's a point on which I've never been sure and have seen people upholding both points of view.
If it works as Vince describes we may need to modify the 3/27 page.

[hifly]

the last time it was talked about on the veg forum a number of people came out of the woodwork saying they did just as i had said and it worked fine.

It may not be quantative but also titrations don't take account of any water or other stuff thats in the oil so i think they are also not quantative even though we spend so much time and effort trying to be as accurate as possible.

I may change the wording to say that many people dismiss this methode but normally not the one who have tried it.

[Rotary-Motion]

yes maybe a good piont to change, cover all bases...

[Julian]

I don't really know enough to make a judgment, I currently just 2 stage process to achieve a clear pass,  however I think it's important that the wiki doesn't offer conflicting information.  Vince, your system obviously works so it must, to a degree at least, be quantitative.  How about both pages use the term "indicative of percentage conversion" or something similar?

Tony, you put the 3/27 page together ... any thoughts?

[Tony]

"Not quantitive, but good enough to work in this situation"?

[Rotary-Motion]

quantum leap

 

[StevieboyTD]

Just wondering if it's possible to expand part 5 "Determine the amount of unprocessed oil in your batch from the dropout." to give a couple of sums as to what i measure and what i do with the numbers.

27/3, measure 1.2ml of dropout, my initial batch was 50L of oil, where do i go from there? (that sort of thing!)

Cheers

[Tony]

Good idea.

This is the part in question:

http://www.biopowered.co.uk/wiki/Two_stage_process_with_no_titration#The_process

Determine the amount of unprocessed oil in your batch from the dropout.

Make up the second stage Methoxide by mixing "20% batch size Methanol" with "unprocessed oil volume x base" catalyst.

So I guess if you have 1.2ml in 3ml, that's 40% unconverted, or 20l unconverted from a batch of 50l.

So you'd need 20% of 20l in Methanol (4l) and 5g NaOH * 20l (100g) catalyst?

Hifly can you confirm this this correct?

[hifly]

a calculator was done by someone, here is a link

http://www.mediafire.com/?zd8diwrz35asns7

the only thing unclear about it is where it says % meth used, it means % meth for second stage

here is the thread i got the link from.

http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/viewthread.php?tid=24395&page=1#pid273916

If there are any more questions it will be best to e-mail me as i'm getting fed up with the atitude of some forum members so won't be visiting the veg forum for the forseeable future.

[Tony]

Sorry to hear that Vince

I'm thinking about giving this no-titration lark a shot for my next batch too.

[K.H]

a calculator was done by someone, here is a link

http://www.mediafire.com/?zd8diwrz35asns7

the only thing unclear about it is where it says % meth used, it means % meth for second stage

here is the thread i got the link from.

http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/viewthread.php?tid=24395&page=1#pid273916

If there are any more questions it will be best to e-mail me as i'm getting fed up with the atitude of some forum members so won't be visiting the veg forum for the forseeable future.

Now we  have a chatter section i hope you will pop up from time to time on here Vince