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Mono pump, he go bugger up ... again.
« on: May 22, 2013, 11:19:37 PM »
After only a couple of uses my little Mono started leaking again.  Took it apart and found this  ... quite probably a lot to do with tardy workmanship the last time I took it apart ...



Note the little lump of brass embedded in the ceramic face.  The brass static half of the seal was quite badly scored too.

Scared of Mono's spares prices and knowing I'd got nothing to loose I decided to have a go at refacing the seal.
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The static half of the seal simply sits in a rubber bush in the pump housing and is quite easy to push out.



(photo shows static half after sanding)

This was done by gently sanding the face of both seal halves on 800 grit wet and dry paper backed by plate glass.  I used a little water and washing up liquid to lubricate things.  Both halves were then lapped for quite a time direct on the plate glass using T Cut.  This seemed to work quite well ...



The parts were cleaned thoroughly, lubricated with a little bio and reassembled.  Reassembly was made much easer by turning a small chamfer on the spigot of the static half, to help it enter its rubber housing (in the absence of a lathe the chamfer could easly be filed with a little care).



I've only run the pump for about 5 minutes tonight but it would appear that against all odds the seal is holding ... yet to see if this will last!  I might run a book.


« Last Edit: May 22, 2013, 11:36:20 PM by Julian »
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Re: Mono pump, he go bugger up ... again.
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2013, 07:11:59 AM »
nicey - fingers crossed - she lives again  8)

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Re: Mono pump, he go bugger up ... again.
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2013, 10:00:28 AM »
Julian, it's been a long time since I last saw some one grinding on glass to achieve a flat surface.

Maybe it's knowledge that only us old farts poses. 

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Re: Mono pump, he go bugger up ... again.
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2013, 10:38:47 AM »
If you are into performance PC's you will be familiar with "lapping" which is done on glass. This is done to achieve a more thermally efficient contact between processor and its heat sink.
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Re: Mono pump, he go bugger up ... again.
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2013, 12:51:20 PM »
If you are into performance PC's you will be familiar with "lapping" which is done on glass. This is done to achieve a more thermally efficient contact between processor and its heat sink.

You know when you're getting fussy with y'lapping, it's when you get the Jeweler's Rouge out.

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Re: Mono pump, he go bugger up ... again.
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2013, 04:25:34 PM »
If you are into performance PC's you will be familiar with "lapping" which is done on glass. This is done to achieve a more thermally efficient contact between processor and its heat sink.

You know when you're getting fussy with y'lapping, it's when you get the Jeweler's Rouge out.

That's an arrestable offence, y'know ;)

Good luck with the pump Julian.  Maybe some grit or muck got between the sealing faces?

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Re: Mono pump, he go bugger up ... again.
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2013, 05:40:53 PM »
If you are into performance PC's you will be familiar with "lapping" which is done on glass. This is done to achieve a more thermally efficient contact between processor and its heat sink.

You know when you're getting fussy with y'lapping, it's when you get the Jeweler's Rouge out.

I had the engineer's blue out last week. But I was scraping, not lapping. Tedious, but we've now got a mill that actually slides rather than binding.

What are the dimensions on that seal?

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Re: Mono pump, he go bugger up ... again.
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2013, 06:02:25 PM »
Well, gob smacked!

It's been running for about three hours dewatering and not a drop.  Wonder if running on bio will show up any issues, bio being less vicious?

I'll add the details to the wiki page, although as far as I'm aware I appear to be the only member running an MS (select club! Hope others will join).  I'll write the page as if it was all one repair ... I won't feel so stupid then (providing no one grasses me up.)

One good thing to come out of this is that I plumbed in a small dedicated vane pump to fill cubies which get carried to the car, while the Mono was out of action.  The down side is it runs at about 6.5 ltrs/min and takes forever to fill the cubie!  Really need to get Pipe Line Under the Garden operational.
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Re: Mono pump, he go bugger up ... again.
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2013, 08:27:41 PM »
I used to lap Hillman imp heads on half inch plate glass !

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Re: Mono pump, he go bugger up ... again.
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2013, 07:43:00 PM »
Added this to the MS page if people wouldn't mind having a read through to make sure that I've not made any howlers!
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Re: Mono pump, he go bugger up ... again.
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2013, 07:02:04 PM »
May have to undo all the recent additions ... he go bugger up again this afternoon.

Me and this pump are headding for a big falling out soon!
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Re: Mono pump, he go bugger up ... again.
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2013, 08:52:53 PM »
May have to undo all the recent additions ... he go bugger up again this afternoon.

Me and this pump are headding for a big falling out soon!

Julian, your pumpaphile status in now in question.
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Re: Mono pump, he go bugger up ... again.
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2013, 09:40:31 PM »
May have to undo all the recent additions ... he go bugger up again this afternoon.

Me and this pump are headding for a big falling out soon!

Julian, your pumpaphile status in now in question.

Reserving comment until I've pulled the dammed thing apart again.

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Re: Mono pump, he go bugger up ... again.
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2013, 09:11:50 AM »
What are the dimensions on the seal?

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Re: Mono pump, he go bugger up ... again.
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2013, 10:22:58 AM »
What are the dimensions on the seal?

It may be a couple of days until I can pull the pump apart, I'll post after I have.  Already having thoughts of making  new parts ... how dare this thing keep leaking like this!
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