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Re: Injection pump gummed up
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2013, 05:08:49 PM »
and / or heated filter

was that mainly short journeys or long each day/time?

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Re: Injection pump gummed up
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2013, 05:27:45 PM »
A good mix of long and short journeys.
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Re: Injection pump gummed up
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2013, 05:52:39 PM »
Was the car ever used on veg to your knowledge Mark? I was thinking it could be burnt on crud from when the pump was hot and then depositing the stuff on cooling.

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Re: Injection pump gummed up
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2013, 05:55:59 PM »
I don't think so, it had a Lucas when I got it, and this pump showed no sign of veg when removed from the dona car.

Ps. samples for testing are in the post.
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Re: Injection pump gummed up
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2013, 06:03:52 PM »
I look forward to receiving the samples.

I'm brewing this weekend so I'll get some ready for sending down to you.

If it didn't see any veg then the gunk must be some sort of glycerine. How does this sound as a theory:

If you brew and use the WBD or any orther sort of demething process and there is still residual traces of either NaOH/KOH/ASM and methanol then the bio can/could carry on reacting. If this is the case how do those who employ these methods know when it is catalyst and methanol free?

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Re: Injection pump gummed up
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2013, 06:22:46 PM »
I look forward to receiving the samples.

I'm brewing this weekend so I'll get some ready for sending down to you.

If it didn't see any veg then the gunk must be some sort of glycerine. How does this sound as a theory:

If you brew and use the WBD or any orther sort of demething process and there is still residual traces of either NaOH/KOH/ASM and methanol then the bio can/could carry on reacting. If this is the case how do those who employ these methods know when it is catalyst and methanol free?

I'll PM you my address.

There may well be something in your theory, I hadn't thought about the reaction carrying on,
but had thought it was gly still held in the bio.
We all know that it will carry on dropping out well after the majority has been removed.
I wonder if KOH derived bio would have still built up like this, as the gly stays liquid.

The funny thing is there is no sign of anything in the tank/thank strainer,
but I have found it in the filter housing (although this was not solid, more jelly like), the pipe from filter to to pump and in the pump.
But not in the leakoff pipes or the return pipe, this puzzling me.

It's obviously due to the heat cool cycle of the engine allwing the gly (if that's what it is) to drop.
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Re: Injection pump gummed up
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2013, 10:58:23 PM »
With water washing there should be no further reaction. All reports going back to GL says that once the prewash is added the reaction stalls and stops in its tracks.

It will be interesting to see the inside of other IP's to see what's happening....but that will only happen on pump failure I'd imagine.

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Re: Injection pump gummed up
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2013, 01:36:21 AM »
I've had to change the High Pressure pump on the 'casso, there seems to be a problem with the pressure relief side producing an over pressure code shutting the entire engine management down. The problem with it is you never know when the shut down will happen.

I've always wanted to strip one down, now's me chance, will it be due to glyc setting solid inside the pump after 60k+miles?

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Re: Injection pump gummed up
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2013, 08:09:02 AM »
I took the advance piston covers off my pump that failed to inspect for Glyc accumulation (it's right at the bottom of the pump so a prime place for things to collect) and it was clean as a whistle.  The overflow restriction at the top was a bit furred up though.  Not had the rest apart to take a look yet!

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Re: Injection pump gummed up
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2013, 09:10:13 AM »
I see similar deposits on the top of filters when I change them.  I've have had a "missing" issue for quite some time which I strongly suspect is IP related.

I've tried two IPs, both had the same problem (which is worrying), so I too have a spare that could be dismantled.  I think it may be worth checking, if it's a similar issue causing my problem then this could be an easy fix.
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Re: Injection pump gummed up
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2013, 09:39:45 AM »
Im wondering - if this is an issue, if there is anything that can be used to clear the residue in-situ.

Like, for example, badly demethed bio?
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Re: Injection pump gummed up
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2013, 09:46:48 AM »
As always it comes down to an enthusiastic bunch of amateurs flailing around in the dark.  A bit like the HMPE / wax issue.  Many of us have experienced them, but if we could find out exactly what the hell they were, we might stand a fighting chance of eradicating them.

Similar issue here ... if we could get this stuff analysed we might be in a position of being able to prevent it.

Tony, some time back you mentioned similar stuff dropping out of bio that you'd bounced around in cubies for a while ... recon there's a connection?
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Re: Injection pump gummed up
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2013, 09:50:07 AM »
The deposits I removed don't dissolve in methanol, IPA, or break cleaner,
the only thing that had some effect was hot water with washing up liquid, this softened it but did not dissolve it.

I have yet to try heating some, maybe tonight when I get home.

Now Julian has mentioned it I have seen this stuff on the top of my filters, only a thin layer but then they're only in for a relatively short time compaired to the pump, so it stands to reason the pump will have a lot more build up.
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Re: Injection pump gummed up
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2013, 10:36:00 AM »
Mark,

Typlically, how long do you think you leave your bio for before using it?

I know sometimes we're all in a rush, but im wondering if always keeping a batch in hand (for longer settling) may be good.
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Re: Injection pump gummed up
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2013, 10:44:27 AM »
Wonder if water washing reduces it ... I've only comparatively recently moved to water washing, as has Mark.  Tony to the best of my knowledge doesn't water wash, but may have seen it in transported cubies.

Any long term water washers remember seeing anything similar sitting on top of a filter when changing?
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