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Magnesol
« on: November 26, 2018, 08:38:04 AM »
Dave kindly gave me a tub of Magnesol at BBB 20XX (some time ago!) which I've not quite brought myself to try.  I've got a batch which is quite soapy and not settling, so I've mixed some Magnesol in (cold).  How long should it stand before I top skim it?

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Re: Magnesol
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2018, 10:08:31 AM »
I leave mine to settle for at least 4 days. if you were worried about any magnesol being left in suspension just set up a simple filtration system using common workshop blue roll. The aperture size in this is something like 0.1 micron.
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Re: Magnesol
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2018, 11:09:24 AM »
Well, what happened Tony?
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Re: Magnesol
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2018, 11:19:32 PM »
It's been over a week of settling, so fingers crossed for good results.

I took 25l aside from the same batch without magnesol to compare against, I'll be checking both soon (need fuel for the car!) so I'll let you know how they look.

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Re: Magnesol
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2018, 11:48:56 PM »
Bizarrely the Magnesol treated bio is more soapy (according to a water shake up test) than the stuff that just stood.

The only difference is the stuff that stood did so in sunlight, it's a lot lighter (bleached?) and a lot of soap dropped.

Again this is a case where the soapy stuff when squirted violently into a glass jar from the sample syringe exhibited bubbles that became a foam on top and didn't pop for a while - but the less soapy stuff didn't foam up.
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Re: Magnesol
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2018, 07:02:02 PM »
Hi Tony, your result does not surprise me. I too get the same result on Magnesol treated biodiesel using the shake up test and this is with zero soap (by titration)

I think there will be a very small amount of magnesol left in the bio, causing the milky water. Remember on Ricks website it says after an extended settling period any magnesol fines left in the bio will be so small that they are of no detrement to the fuel.

I have now been treating my bio with Magnesol for some 4 years in total, using the fuel in a few common rail vehicles and have had no issues.
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Re: Magnesol
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2018, 01:29:22 PM »
It's definitely going in the car one way or another - though I might stand some aside in sunlight first to see if anything drops out :)

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Re: Magnesol
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2019, 12:40:52 AM »
I've had no problems with running on the magensol treated fuel, though I have to add that even though the rest of this batch has settled for over a month it still exhibits the strange foaming up when violently pumped.  I've elected to pump out to 25l drums and stand in the sun for a while since that seems to help them for reasons I don't understand.

It may be that something contaminated the source oil (a detergent of some kind?) which isn't removed by the biodiesel process.

At any rate, I don't think I'll use magnesol again - although it might help accelerate normal batch settle times it messes up how I handle dregs:

Normally I settle each batch in a plastic drum for a couple of weeks.  I have three of these drums in rotation. Before I use the fuel, the oldest setting drum gets pumped out into 25l drums via a 1u filter.  These sit for at least a few days, then when they go into the car I leave the last bit at the bottom of the 25l drum.  These dregs normally gets thrown into the youngest settling drum so nothing is wasted.

When a settling drum is exhausted I pour the dregs from that into the youngest settling drum too.  All the dregs go around and around and no bio gets wasted.

The trouble is, add magnesol into this mix and this ends up spread throughout the whole system which I can't say I'm keen on!

The foamy batch it definitely settled to the bottom of the settle drum in a white layer, but I don't want to pour those dregs into the youngest batch that's settling.

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Re: Magnesol
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2019, 10:14:49 AM »
Blue roll filtration?
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Re: Magnesol
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2019, 01:03:08 PM »
It's an option.  But it adds an extra stage of work :)

I think these dregs I will keep for lighting bonfires or for the M67 heater.