newbie needs help please

[craig]

That's good to know, it nearly got binned .
This might be a silly question but just learning.
OK i don't have a processor yet
the last tester i did was 25 liters in a plastic drum left it overnight and the bottom 2" set solid
leaving me with bio above this is what i have been washing and it seems to be OK 3/27 good.
is it OK to carry on doing it this way until i get a processor 
yes i know it would be easier to drain the glycerin while liquid but as i cant see through the bucket
i don't know how long to leave it and how much to drain off.

and what is the 2 stage no titration

[Head Womble]

Two stage reaction, read this
http://www.biopowered.co.uk/wiki/Two_stage_process_with_no_titration

You can make bio in a bucket, but it's for safety reasons we build dedicated reactors.

[craig]

Two stage reaction, read this
http://www.biopowered.co.uk/wiki/Two_stage_process_with_no_titration

You can make bio in a bucket, but it's for safety reasons we build dedicated reactors.

Hi Mark
I will be making a reactor tank when i know what I need.
I have started to make a wash tank that should work well

As for 2 stage no titration Hm-mm maybe at a later date after more practice

[Rotary-Motion]

doesnt 2 stage take away the need to practice, makes life easy...

[craig]

It makes life easy when you know what your doing to start with.

[Head Womble]

It makes life easy when you know what your doing to start with.

It's easier and more relyable than titration, it just sounds confusing.

[greasemonkey]

Two stage no tit, is simpler, says the man who has only done one batch.
Titration sounds like a right fiddle to me, and requires more kit, and a greater understanding.
Understanding is all well and good, but getting bio out is what counts.
A no tit process is simple, just don't do a soap test at the same time as the conversion test.............

[willbuild]

circulated in the processor yesterday for about 4 hours and took a sample. was clear this morning with a dark brown drop out, so have circulate for 90 mins then put into settling tank.
now its just wait and see.
am going to make spray bar this afternoon, just in case!!!

[craig]

OK guys i need some more help
just did a 50/50 water & bio shake test.
fully separated in 5 Min's
now i have 1/2 bio and 1/2 milkshake
how the _ _ _ _ do i get it clean.

[craig]

and what colour should it be?
a sample in a syringe it looks a golden colour
but in a demijohn it looks very dark.

[Julian]

In a 50/50 the bio will always pick up water, especially if there's even a tiny bit of soap around.  It will be a dirty orange juice colour and is quite normal.  It's typical of the colour you get when water washing.

With the 50/50 you are only interested in the colour and clarity of the water.  It should be clear, any white opaque tinge indicates that you've washed soap out of the bio.

If you leave it long enough, unlidded the bio will eventually dry and can be decanted off or added to the next batch on the wash cycle.

Is the demijohn the trial batch?  If so you only need to take a half jam jar sample for the 50/50 test.

[craig]

In a 50/50 the bio will always pick up water, especially if there's even a tiny bit of soap around.  It will be a dirty orange juice colour and is quite normal.  It's typical of the colour you get when water washing.

With the 50/50 you are only interested in the colour and clarity of the water.  It should be clear, any white opaque tinge indicates that you've washed soap out of the bio.

If you leave it long enough, unlidded the bio will eventually dry and can be decanted off or added to the next batch on the wash cycle.

Is the demijohn the trial batch?  If so you only need to take a half jam jar sample for the 50/50 test.

I thought it was washed well it cleared to a transparent golden colour not cloudy orange juice anymore.
so i decanted to a demijohn then took a 100ML sample bottle to 50/50 shake test.
i could immediately see it separating but the water is a white milky colour
if i start washing again will it eventually get rid of the white water

Its all new to me.

[Julian]

Have a read of this page ... http://www.biopowered.co.uk/wiki/Water_washing.

Regardless of the method of washing, the bio and water colours will be the same in each case.

If you have a milky 50/50 then you still have soap in the bio, despite it looking clear.  You can just leave it to settle for a week or two.  Over time you'll see a light, white/grayish gel type layer form at the bottom ... that's the soap.  Or you could try washing again.

Don't be in too much of a hurry to get results, time and gravity are often your best friends when making bio.

[craig]

Silly question Julian
do I leave it to settle with water in it or do I drain it off

[Julian]

If you are going to let it settle there's probably not much point in draining the water now as you'll only get more water dropping out of the bio. 

You should see a layer of clear bio forming at the top which will get larger as it drys.