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Re: Newspaper clears bio ... not sure I believe this myself!
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2013, 08:32:30 PM »
Interewesting Julian,  I have had bio that stays cloudy when I haven't fully demethed, but it clears with a day or two longer settling if I have fuel in reserve to allow this, or I just whack it back in the processor and demeth if it's needed quicker.


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Re: Newspaper clears bio ... not sure I believe this myself!
« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2013, 08:36:36 PM »
Proverbs, Chapter 16, Verse 18 ...  Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

As with Pete's Jee, Je, Jeeee (American car) ... I'll remind you you said that one day.

I know I'm fallible....I even had an emulsion recently when experimenting with reduced glyc during a 7% post reaction wash. Nice easy fix on that...added some glyc back in following a jug sample. ;)

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Re: Newspaper clears bio ... not sure I believe this myself!
« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2013, 10:49:41 PM »
I know I'm fallible....

WHAT?, you're a mirror image of you father, infallible to the end.

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Re: Newspaper clears bio ... not sure I believe this myself!
« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2013, 10:04:17 AM »
I've had 120l of bio go clear during settling but has now turned cloudy (during damp weather - a coincidence?), I've stuck a bunch of kitchen roll in, hung from the side by garden wire.  Will let you know if anything happens :)

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Re: Newspaper clears bio ... not sure I believe this myself!
« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2013, 08:55:11 PM »
I've been a busy boy ...



I've tested seven samples of different types of paper material.  They have been sitting in the same cloudy bio for circa 24 hours.  I've given a mark to each indicating my opinion of clarity, 0 being as the control (which hasn't appeared to have changed during the 24 hours) and 10 being crystal clear.   Not at all scientific but it will give some idea of what I'm seeing.  From left to right ...

  • The same piece of folded newspaper as I used on the first test ... 9
  • Fresh newspaper, but a much smaller area ... 8
  • Newspaper as above but with a lid as suggested by Womble (to disprove wicking effect) ... 8
  • Cornflakes packet ... 8
  • Corrigated cardboard ... 7
  • Reasonable quality A4 printer paper ... 9
  • Cheap Asda tissue ... 9
  • Control ... 0

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Samples 1, 2 and 3.  The newspaper samples.





Samples 4, 5 and 6.  Two cardboard and the printer paper.





Sample 7, Asda tissue and the control.

All looking quite interesting me thinks.

 
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Re: Newspaper clears bio ... not sure I believe this myself!
« Reply #35 on: May 09, 2013, 10:50:20 PM »
I've found some cloudy bio, after a lot of looking, and it sitting with some newspaper in it. I 'ave a look tomorrow and see how it goes.

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Re: Newspaper clears bio ... not sure I believe this myself!
« Reply #36 on: May 09, 2013, 11:01:06 PM »
I've been a busy boy ...



I've tested seven samples of different types of paper material.  They have been sitting in the same cloudy bio for circa 24 hours.  I've given a mark to each indicating my opinion of clarity, 0 being as the control (which hasn't appeared to have changed during the 24 hours) and 10 being crystal clear.   Not at all scientific but it will give some idea of what I'm seeing.  From left to right ...

  • The same piece of folded newspaper as I used on the first test ... 9
  • Fresh newspaper, but a much smaller area ... 8
  • Newspaper as above but with a lid as suggested by Womble (to disprove wicking effect) ... 8
  • Cornflakes packet ... 8
  • Corrigated cardboard ... 7
  • Reasonable quality A4 printer paper ... 9
  • Cheap Asda tissue ... 9
  • Control ... 0

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Samples 1, 2 and 3.  The newspaper samples.





Samples 4, 5 and 6.  Two cardboard and the printer paper.





Sample 7, Asda tissue and the control.

All looking quite interesting me thinks.

 

they look suspiciously look molotov cocktails. hope there are not too many riots around your way. "well officer i was experimenting with different ways to clear my bio diesel 'onest 'guv.

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Re: Newspaper clears bio ... not sure I believe this myself!
« Reply #37 on: May 09, 2013, 11:58:37 PM »
Interesting stuff.
Of course, this will end up with some intrepid member claiming that dipping their Manhood into their fuel leads to instant clarity. And a slippery willy.
I'm off out to the lair...
Brewing bio. And still not breaking cars!

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Re: Newspaper clears bio ... not sure I believe this myself!
« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2013, 01:47:15 PM »
Recirculate through Sponge from your storage/settlement drum....

Has the same effect--will clarify the fuel and after, the sponges can be cleaned from the cruddy soaps and re-used...

Works a treat, Takes around half-hour for 100L depending on flow rates.

Came up with this idea around four years ago but couldn't tell of it at the time, as I came up with it during employment with a BD Co....

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Re: Newspaper clears bio ... not sure I believe this myself!
« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2013, 04:48:25 PM »
Recirculate through Sponge from your storage/settlement drum....

Has the same effect--will clarify the fuel and after, the sponges can be cleaned from the cruddy soaps and re-used...

Works a treat, Takes around half-hour for 100L depending on flow rates.

Came up with this idea around four years ago but couldn't tell of it at the time, as I came up with it during employment with a BD Co....

Alastair, is that Natural or Symaphetic sponge, and what sort of volume of the stuff are we talking about?

This gives me an idea, I've got a humugous load of really good fish tank filter medium, I'll try that out.

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Re: Newspaper clears bio ... not sure I believe this myself!
« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2013, 07:58:03 PM »
Recirculate through Sponge from your storage/settlement drum....

Has the same effect--will clarify the fuel and after, the sponges can be cleaned from the cruddy soaps and re-used...

Works a treat, Takes around half-hour for 100L depending on flow rates.

Came up with this idea around four years ago but couldn't tell of it at the time, as I came up with it during employment with a BD Co....

I like the sound of that, especially being able to just wash the sponges out afterwards.

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Re: Newspaper clears bio ... not sure I believe this myself!
« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2013, 11:30:16 PM »
Does it make a difference whether you use The Sun or The Times?

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Re: Newspaper clears bio ... not sure I believe this myself!
« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2013, 12:38:13 AM »
Does it make a difference whether you use The Sun or The Times?

Of course it does, The Times is of a much higher quality therefore the Bio will be.

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Re: Newspaper clears bio ... not sure I believe this myself!
« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2013, 01:39:48 PM »
I stuck some newspaper in a jar of cloudy Bio and hey presto lear bio BUT I forgot to take a sample as a base reference, I'll have to do it again now.

What a numb nut.

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Re: Newspaper clears bio ... not sure I believe this myself!
« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2013, 01:57:41 PM »
Does it make a difference whether you use The Sun or The Times?

Of course it does, The Times is of a much higher quality therefore the Bio will be.

Oily Sun page three?