2500 production limit

[Dickjotec]

I posted this on the vod but had no reply, does anyone know the answer

I replied to a poster on another forum re the 2500 limit stating that the 2500 limit is for use on road only and more could be made to use off road. He replied

As the tractor & digger could go on the road I thought they would be covered (by the 2500limit)
Red still has some road duty on it?

Am I correct that if red is legal on the road ie between fields then the 2500 limit does not apply? I don't want to give duff advice.

Dick

[Rotary-Motion]

thought they stopped use of red on roads re tractors

and also boats have to use normal and cant use red now i believe...

[Rotary-Motion]

Gillian Cheatley Senior Technical officer of the UFU explained, "We have had a number of members who were stopped recently by both PSNI and HMRC, in relation to the distance they had travelled on red diesel. An appeared mix up in the interpretation of the legislation has lead to a number of farmers being stopped and cautioned. We were pleased to be able to clarify to our members that a tractor which has been taxed as an agricultural vehicle may be used on the public road for agricultural use and are permitted to use red diesel. There is no limit to the distance that such a vehicle may travel. We have since spoken to the PSNI and HMRC and clarified these issues"..

http://www.farminglife.com/news/the-facts-of-tractors-and-use-of-red-diesel-1-1622063

[K.H]

I would ask Vince he seems to be well versed on the legalities

[McDuff]

I thought the 2500 limit was for personal use (non business - glad I was on diesel when I got caught in the HMRC/VOSA check) on the public highway - on private property what can they do??

[Rotary-Motion]

I thought the 2500 limit was for personal use (non business - glad I was on diesel when I got caught in the HMRC/VOSA check) on the public highway - on private property what can they do??

driving what?

[McDuff]

One of the pickups

[Dickjotec]

Gillian Cheatley Senior Technical officer of the UFU explained, "We have had a number of members who were stopped recently by both PSNI and HMRC, in relation to the distance they had travelled on red diesel. An appeared mix up in the interpretation of the legislation has lead to a number of farmers being stopped and cautioned. We were pleased to be able to clarify to our members that a tractor which has been taxed as an agricultural vehicle may be used on the public road for agricultural use and are permitted to use red diesel. There is no limit to the distance that such a vehicle may travel. We have since spoken to the PSNI and HMRC and clarified these issues"..

http://www.farminglife.com/news/the-facts-of-tractors-and-use-of-red-diesel-1-1622063

Thanks for that RM but is the law the same in England as Ulster?
 As some duty has to be paid on red it may well be that it comes under the 2500 limit. One hmrc document certainly implies that the only duty free bio use , except the 2500, is heating and electricity generation. Could the 2500 limit apply to leisure boat use?
Fortunately it is only academic to me my digger is petrol and the boat wind power!
Dick

[greasemonkey]

Hmmm, fair question. The thing is, you can produce as much as you like, it's just that you can only use 2500 litres on the road. In the field, you can run on anything.

It would be very interesting to contact HMRC, and ask them about alternative fuels in tractors.
If the tractor is being used for agriculture, then it is allowed to run on red, within a certain radius from its registerd base. These boys hauling straw from hereford, up round here, are breaking the law. No one has been done for it yet. The spud haulers are technically breaking the law as well, although that has been thrashed out in court, and basically, the law backed off.

What if you were runing WMO? would you then be allowed to drive on the road with the tractor? I think you would. Its the way the machine is taxed, and the licensing needed to drive it, which defines what the duty rate is. You could tax a tractor as a lorry, and run it on white, and some do, because its not an agricultural tractor, its being used for haulage. Then you need a class 2 license to drive it.

Muddied the waters a bit.