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Re: Conversation with china - what is the third wire for ???
« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2012, 07:45:50 PM »
they work just as well in series for 24v as well. have 2 strips around 2 foot long in the coach running straight off the battery bank.

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Re: Conversation with china - what is the third wire for ???
« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2012, 12:02:54 AM »
Sorry Paul (or whoever you are this week!), somehow missed pasting my reply in above ... doh!

It wires up as shown in the photo.  Black box is the transformer.  It plugs into 230v ac and converts to 12v dc.  Black wire from the transformer supplies 12v dc to the controller which is the white box. The controller has a white wire which connects to the LED strip (they supply a little adapter because both plugs are female for some reason).  The other white wire from the controller (the one with a black blob on the end in the photo) is the Infra Red sensor which receives the IR signal from the remote.  Ideally it needs to be in line of sight of the remote, but it will work on reflected IR, just not as reliably.

To run from a car, all you have to do is discard the transformer.  Both in the picture and the set I have, have a "cylindrical blob" in the 12v wire from the transformer.  I have no idea what this is or what it does.  Perhaps some one who knows their electronics might offer an answer, but I'd suggest you include it in your system, so cut the 12v dc wire between the transformer and the cylindrical blob.  You then need to work out the polarity, so with a multi meter, check the circuit between the centre pin on the 12v plug which goes into the controller and where you cut the wire ... that will be your positive feed, the other will obviously be negative.  Wire up via an 8 or 10 amp fuse and you should be good to go.
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Re: Conversation with china - what is the third wire for ???
« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2012, 12:19:08 AM »
Hi, I think you will find that the little round blob is a small inductor , a few turns of wire, its basically an intertference prevention to prevent high frequency interference gettingto/from the controller.  Its the same thing you find on the power lead to a laptop.
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Re: Conversation with china - what is the third wire for ???
« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2012, 02:12:58 AM »
Many thanks for that.  So he's best off including it in the supply lead then.
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Re: Conversation with china - what is the third wire for ???
« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2012, 03:49:39 AM »
Hi,    I would leave it in the wiring, there's lots of things that generate radio frequency noise, laptop supplies use invertor,switch mode to get the 19volts or whatever your l/top needs, the controller for the led's probably uses a fast square wave clock to do the dimming/switching for the led's, you may have heard interference on your hj-fi system from lamp dimmers, its the same sort of thing.
If or when  you cut the wires from your power supply, bare the wires, chech them with a voltmeter for polarity then put a bit of tape on positive wire so you know which one is +ve.
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Re: Conversation with china - what is the third wire for ???
« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2012, 08:18:28 AM »
I dont have any toroids (that's what the black blob is) in the 12V supply cable to mine in the caravan and it works fine.
The kit I bought was for 12V DC supply only - it did not come with a mains adaptor (which made it cheaper and, as I was putting it in the caravan, I didn't need the adaptor anyway)
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