Secret experiments forum?

[nathanrobo]

Don't think so. I'm anti a board limited by invented criteria, but a members only board doesn't really preclude anyone (wasn't that the point I made? Can't remember)

It just means that someone has to be serious enough about bio to register and hopefully make a contribution.

That was kinda what I was thinking.  If anyone could request to join and would be accepted, the only way somebody would feel resentful, would be if they flamed others suggestions and would therefore find themselves on the outside looking in. 

This would be a very effective way of fostering the right kind of environment.  Anyone can get it, but behaviour would be modified by the fear of expulsion.  The other criteria of keeping stuff out of the public domain would be achieved too!  Nothing too controversial there, I don't think.

[nigelb]

So if you "flame" or disagree with any sort of passion then you're out! How very democratic...not.

What happens if the "flamer" turns out to be right and should have been listened too in the first place? Do you think they are likely to want to be accepted back in? Are the hierarchy of the inner circle then forced out because of over zealous actions. Who moderates the hierarchy? This is all a really bad idea.

This secret club needs to be put to bed quickly in my opinion.

Nathan mate...the environment for healthy discussion is already here...I'm surprised you can't see it.

[Tony]

Nathan mate...the environment for healthy discussion is already here...I'm surprised you can't see it.

You're a wind up merchant sometimes Nige, but yes I'd agree with that the environment is already quite healthy when it comes to discussion here.

[nigelb]

Me...a wind up merchant.....I'm sure I don't know what you mean

[1958steveflying]

Nathan mate...the environment for healthy discussion is already here...I'm surprised you can't see it.

You're a wind up merchant sometimes Nige,

Far far too polite ! !

[nigelb]

I'm not sure how that comment adds value to the thread Steve. It just seems like another snide remark aimed in my direction.

[Tony]

I'm not sure how that comment adds value to the thread Steve. It just seems like another snide remark aimed in my direction.

Oh Nige, glass houses chap

[nigelb]

I'm not sure how that comment adds value to the thread Steve. It just seems like another snide remark aimed in my direction.

Oh Nige, glass houses chap

The snide remarks or the adding value Tony...or both?

[Tony]

I'm not sure how that comment adds value to the thread Steve. It just seems like another snide remark aimed in my direction.

Oh Nige, glass houses chap

The snide remarks or the adding value Tony...or both?

Nige, no question on the added value for venturi casting and soap testing - gone above and beyond the call of duty there as far as I'm concerned.  But if you were one of my kids you'd be on the naughty step for not playing nicely with the other siblings!

[nigelb]

Unfortunately you cant get on with all the siblings Tony...especially when value is not added in a snide remark like Steve's.

Maybe some of my comments are not particularly well put together grammatically...and should be moderated but I think that Nathans comments are counter productive to the ethos of the forum in promoting an elitist inner circle. Maybe this should just be kept to PM messages and  secret meetings in order to keep the unwanted out. Having said that...the same goes for anybody else promoting it too as I see there are others in the thread backing it.

That said....I consider myself to be on the naughty step until I'm told I can come back in so long as I play nicely.

By the way....I've not finished on the soap testing yet...more info to come in the next few days. Have you done any yet?

[Tony]

As far as the secret experiments forum goes I can see plus points in favour of a few experienced members discussing things away from the public eye - purely from a safety/logistics point of view (until satisfactorily peer reviewed).

From the social point of view - very much a potential disaster from what I've read here.  If you're going to say something about someone it should be the same whether they're listening or not.

[knighty]

calling it a "secret experiments forum" gives the completely wrong impression

on the forums I'm on that have them, it's more of a trusted members forum, hit X number of posts and you're automatically added

you don't know anything about it until you're already there

it's surprising how useful somewhere like that is, where you could post up about your collections without fear of someone trying to nick them, or info about the price you're paying for oil that you don't want the places you get oil from reading about

there's nothing "elitist" about it... especially considering everyone here would be in it already...

in fact, it does the complete opposite of segregating the forum and instils a greater seance of community amongst regular posters

every-thing's ok right now... but with people leaving VOD like rats from a sinking ship, more and more people will find there way here...

I think if more people here were on forums that had them, they'd be really keen on the idea.... tbh I'd be in the same boat as you guys if I hadn't experienced it for myself

but lets face it... with so many people against it, it's a dead duck

[1958steveflying]

  If you're going to say something about someone it should be the same whether they're listening or not.

That is true Tony but the person is more likely to take it the right way and react in a sensible way if the whole world is not in on it too.
 I cannot see why any members are against a members only area ! !

[Julian]

This thread has dragged on a bit now and I for one don't feel comfortable with it's current direction.  A direction we don't want to replicate from other platforms.

This whole debate started out after a couple of experiments were done off camera.  These were based on ideas shared by Paul Carrington.  Paul wanted a few people to try the ideas before going public.  This was I suspect, from early comments he made on here, because ideas he's offered elsewhere weren't given sufficient consideration, a stance not difficult to understand.

As I remember, the ideas were titrated acid washing tested by KH and Jules, and methacid wash tested by me.  Both processes have found their way to the public domain and the titrated acid was has been of benefit to many people.

I think from some of the opinions expressed here, there may be merit in having a members only board, as we have for oil collection, for experimentation.  This would, to my mind, be a reasonable compromise it that it was open to anyone, interested enough to register and log on on a regular basis.

Do we need a poll on this or can we get a reasonable consensus from this thread?

[K.H]

Poll, cos we haven't had one yet 
But only if all agree to go with the majority, do we need a poll for that as well?