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Offline GedsJeep

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time for a change.
« on: September 05, 2015, 12:00:39 AM »
my current set up is...

net curtain.
50m felt bag.
dewater
pump through 10" elements ( 25m + 10m)
felt bag filter through 1m.

each stage has settling inbetween, and every few weeks the bottom of each stage is pumped out and sold.

the car...

om602 engined rexton.
twin tanked
pevekoil solonoid
FPHE that runs between 60 and 80 deg c.

now.

i think 1m is overkill.

the rexton will run on wvo all year round, the twin tank is because i have the kit and because i`m becoming more mechanically sympathetic the older i get.

i have a thermometer on the FPHE and dont switch it over at less than 25 deg c.

so im thinking of giving it a go at 10m this winter. mainly because i wan to reduce my already stretched time in the shed.

any thoughts?

also i`m looking at the polyester filter bags, i`ve heard they are quicker and easier to clean. the felt ones take a bit of drying and can slow the process down. any thoughts on these?

thanks everybody peeps. 8)
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Re: time for a change.
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2015, 08:48:24 AM »
While I do not have a 10 micron I use nylon filter bags, sourced from USA, they are much easier to clean. I squeeze out the crud, turn inside out soak in miss fuel, squeeze out and wash in hot water. Come up like new with just some staining. SWMBO has even put them in the washing machine for me (after I have "cleaned" them).
Only use them for the WVO for the Lister so not as finicky as a car.
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Re: time for a change.
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2015, 10:21:06 AM »
Sounds like it might be easier to make bio!
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Re: time for a change.
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2015, 11:25:34 AM »
nah, theres chemicals ect to take into consideration.

it`s not arduous, i just move oil from one stage to the next, normally through pumps, but the bags have always been a bit of a bug bear.
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2015, 11:38:02 AM »
How long is it taking you to filter, and what sort of quantity are you looking at?

The biggest revelation for me lately, that seems to be working, is bigger filter bags.

I've got two half pillow cases, suspended in 45 gallon drum. Good oil, I can get 30 litres through each, as fast as I can tip it. They will hold about 40 litres, but the rate at which it goes through slows down after the first 30.
Basically, in a matter of minutes, I can have a 60 litres in the drum, and another 80 that will drain down in a day or so.

Then I put 25 litres through a J cloth, twice, which takes minutes, and settle this with 10% petrol. The final two passes through a J cloth takes minutes, before it goes in the tank.

I could do twice the amount in very little more time, and make it a lot more efficient, but I've no real desire to.

I know I'm not exactly being very technical with the J cloths, I works, just about. It's not quite fltered well enough, I don't think. Something I may do something about in time.
What I would say is, 10m doesn't sound enough to me, I'd say 5 at a minimum, but others may disagree.

Which part of your operation is taking the time? If it's getting it through the 1 mic, I'd be inclined to investigate a very big 1 mic filter bag. I'm sure the filter bag makers would stitch one up for you. Rumour has it, filterbagman on Ebay stitches them up in his garden shed, and is a very tidy sort of a chap.
There is a member here who sells the nylon filterbags, (can't remember who, diysurgeon?) they seem to be gaining a reputation, although I have not used them myself. Maybe give him a try and see if he can get you a larger bag.

I've tried loads of variations of filtering setup. For my money bigger bags, 40 litres upwards, will be a part of any future setups.
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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2015, 01:15:21 PM »
quantity?

probably 4 times what you quoted.

or 5......

at the moment, the 1 mic is taking the time. i use 32" bags x3 so 60L at a time.

but the bags are a bugger to clean and dry so thats why i was thinking of 3 polyester.

also i`m at that time that vegger hate where the temp is a bit up and down.

oil will go through a bag one day and sit in the same bag the following day.

why would 10 micron not be good enough for a hot engine?
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Re: time for a change.
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2015, 02:55:03 PM »
I thought most filters fitted to vehicles were only 10µ anyway.
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2015, 03:56:46 PM »
I though the vehicle filter was 10mic too, although that's only what I've heard, I've not come across anything definitive. My thinking is, get the oil below the vehicle filter size.

Have you tried scrapping down the sides of the filter bags?
I've had trouble with a layer building up on the surface of the pillowcase. This isn't blocking the filtering capability, it's just acting like a membrane, keeping the oil off the filter. And this is with good oil.
When it's warm, this sludge is more prone to running down the side and into the bottom. When it's cooler, it's just coating the whole thing. By scrapping the sides down, bags what I would have chucked away because they were blocked, are now filter ing a whole load more oil.
The trouble is, those felt filter bags don't lend themselves to doing this, because the surface is furry, and tends to hold the sludge.

Maybe try and get a 5 mic polyester bag that will hold 40 litres. I'm convinced a bigger bag gets the oil through quicker.

Any how, a 100 plus litres a day on a regular basis is outside my experience.

There must be an answer out there though.
I was talking to a couple of guys in a tax station a while ago. They had a tanker with a filter unit on the back. The tanks in the tax station had flooded, and water had got in, so you can imagine what kind of crap would be in that fuel.
They were going to suck it all out, clean the tanks, filter the fuel and pump it back in.

The filter setup had six inch pipes on it.
All they were using was huge bag filters.
I don't recall how many bar it was running at, but it wasn't shocking. Never found out how they were separating the water. Could have talked to them all day, but they had to get on.
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Re: time for a change.
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2015, 05:10:48 PM »
so 5m or 10m.....

this is the question.

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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2015, 05:23:53 PM »
just texed diy surgeon and the bags are polyester felt, so the same as what i have from filterbagman?

now im confused.

i wanted a nylon mesh type. :o
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2015, 05:29:35 PM »
My choice would be 5 mic.

Looks as though I have made a mistake with the bags then. I was under the impression that diysurgeons were smooth.
Can't help more than that, other than to suggest that you line the bags with a pillowcase/sheet of some sort. Makes a heck of a difference when you come to clean them.
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Re: time for a change.
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2015, 08:19:46 PM »
Gedsjeep, the nylon type ones are sold on ebay by someone calling himself force10skodaboy, I'll see if I can get a link.

                                  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sock-filter-bag-1micron-Vegetable-oil-WVO-Biodiesel-/131594107132?hash=item1ea39eb8fc
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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2015, 08:35:43 PM »
I'm pretty certain that is diysurgeon. There was a thread about it on the other channel a while back.
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Re: time for a change.
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2015, 09:05:01 PM »
It's very easy to make your own filter bags.  I made some with landscaping fabric many years ago and they are still going strong.  There's no reason why you can't do the same thing with fabric of different weaves.  Cheap bed sheets for example.

Some talented young chap has put a brilliantly illustrated description of how to make them on the wiki ...











I think with filter socks, it's one of the occasions that length that matters.  If they are suspended above the liquid level the length will allow a head to be created at the bottom of the filter.




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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2015, 09:37:54 PM »
What sewing machines are you into?
I sews them up wiv me old Singer. Marvellous old things, got two now. When funds allow, I intend forming a choir of them......
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