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Welcome JoggerFogger
« on: November 11, 2011, 09:05:13 PM »
Welcome to the forum  8)

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Re: Welcome JoggerFogger
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2011, 09:07:59 PM »
Well thank you!

I'm just about to start construction on my processor, and it looks like you guys have a pretty good handle on how to do it.
Thanks in advance for all the help.

The nickname "joggerfogger" is what my friends used to call my old 6.5l diesel powered K5 Blazer. It would frequently belch out a thick blanket of soot on unsuspecting joggers going up the hill to my house.

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Re: Welcome JoggerFogger
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2011, 10:24:17 PM »
Ah, the kind that leaves it's own stealth fog trail up hills, I had a diesel that did that  ;D

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Re: Welcome JoggerFogger
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2011, 10:54:40 PM »
Welcome,from the USA? yes  :)

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Re: Welcome JoggerFogger
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2011, 12:10:16 AM »
Yes, welcome.

It will be great great to have a US perspective and input.
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Re: Welcome JoggerFogger
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2011, 01:14:42 PM »
Oh, by the way, how's the venturi coming along?  Have you tried it in anger yet?

It would make an excellent addition to the wiki.
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Re: Welcome JoggerFogger
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2011, 07:35:59 AM »
Oh, by the way, how's the venturi coming along?  Have you tried it in anger yet?

It would make an excellent addition to the wiki.
I will gladly post it up once it's proven to work.  I just finally received my pump yesterday, and I have recently made several changes to my design.  I had a great phone conversation with a guy that gave me some good ideas about my design.  He also said that based on the goals I have for my processor, I really should be focusing my studies on the UK design philosophy.  (that's why I'm here!)
This is my latest design, but I already know that I need to make the vapor return higher than the top input after the venturi to prevent any back-flow of oil out of the venturi.  And if my venturi works as planned, I'm going to draw the methoxide with it.  I just want to be able to do it both ways depending on how it works out.

I'm trying to work out as many kinks in my head before they surface in practice, but at some point I have to just dive in.  After visiting 4 hardware stores and going over my plans again and again, I decided that I'd rather fabricate some simple parts instead of buying 4-5 parts and screwing them together.  I can see the benefit of working with copper (as it seems most of you do) but I decided in the beginning that it was going to be all steel pipe, and steel is my preferred medium.

Tonight I made 3 of these 1x3/4x1 Tees, and I now need to modify my water heater to a 1" drain on the bottom before I start building.  I'm going to guess that it will be at least another 2 weeks before I try my first batch.
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Re: Welcome JoggerFogger
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2011, 09:30:50 AM »
Tidy welding :)  Good luck with the build!

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Re: Welcome JoggerFogger
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2011, 06:26:49 PM »
Welcome to the UK philosophy (perhaps that should more correctly be the GL philosophy!).  If you need any advise just post on here or the VOD, there's always people willing to help.

With regard to moving the venturi, I would certainly agree with your thinking ... I did the same with my processor when I first built it.  It seemed wrong for it to be located lower that the oil level in the processor.  The higher position usual means the it has to be positioned horizontally which has, in the past, not been considered the ideal orientation.  That said there are many who have fully operational venturies working horizontally, myself included.  In fact I've had several designs of venturi all perform well when horizontal.  Only one failed to establish suction and that was cured after a little research of various manufacturers websites and some experimentation.  The solution was to install a jet splitter, shown at the bottom of the venturi page on the wiki.

Ironically I have a feeling that venturies which are accurately made are more prone to "jetting" through the discharge cone.  Most of mine have the throat drilled to size on a lathe and hence are likely to suffer the problem.  With your venturi, it may pay you to first try it as a "welded finish" and see how it performs, them drill the throat if necessary.

I've always thought that working with steel pipe must be a right pain in the backside, you have my sympathy, but your solution looks to be an excellent one, nice welding as Tony says.

Good luck with the build, as you say you'll have to bite the bullet at some point.  Don't try and attain perfection ... if you are anything like most serious home brewers over here, you'll be modifying it within a couple of months as new ideas and processes come to light!
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Re: Welcome JoggerFogger
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2011, 10:10:53 PM »
My first processors had a horizontal venturi feeding into a spray arm (stoppered and drilled 22mm pipe).  This must have given adequate back-pressure.

I've since moved to vertical with a swept 90 afterwards.  This seems to cause slurp-slurp-slurp noises.  Next one will be horizontal again with a jet-breaker like Julian uses.

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Re: Welcome JoggerFogger
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2011, 11:04:54 PM »
My current one's a four port effort ... on occasions it gives out a low whistle!  Can't quite make out the tune though.

Don't install a jet breaker unless you have to.  You'll only need it if the flow from the throat doesn't fill the pipe at some point down stream of the ventrui.
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Re: Welcome JoggerFogger
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2011, 09:40:37 AM »
Just enough to get the liquid to stick to the surface of the outlet cone as it exits, right :)

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2011, 06:50:04 PM »
I made little progress this weekend.  But I'm almost done with the reactor.  I replaced the wooden stand I made with a metal one (recycled bed frame) that's higher, stronger, and has more room.  I'm to a point where I need to know what I'm going to do for a settling tank/wash tank/dry tank.  It seems that there's as many ways to handle the fuel after the reactor as there are ways to build the reactor and I'm not sure how to proceed.

I need the purest biodiesel.  I have a 2007 Duramax truck, and I've successfully been running commercially purchased B99 since I bought the truck in 2009.  I was planning on following the procedure of a guy in a nearby town that has the same truck, but he uses a Fuelmeister that he bought 6 years ago. (it's a basic plastic cone bottomed kit that relies on pre-heating the oil).  He has a wash tank that sprinkles warm water over the fuel, then he dries the fuel with a heated barrel and bubbles.

I'd like to use the best process possible for treating the fuel.  Not sure what that is.  Since I'm following the GL style processor, I'd like to follow suit with my post-reactor process.

-Kevin

Thanks again and in advance for any advice.  Here's some pics of my progress:


Here's the core of my condenser.  I ended up having to solder on the caps to keep them from leaking.  Copper is super expensive here and I had some PVC pipe laying around, so the water jacket is PVC.  Hopefully the effect is the same.


-Kevin

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Re: Welcome JoggerFogger
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2011, 09:31:42 PM »
Threaded steel - that's proper man's pipework that is - planning on trying the same on my next processor :)

It sure is looking good, with the GL you'll have the flexability to do it a number of ways - just see which process suits you the best.

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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2011, 10:03:58 PM »
Progress is looking good so far.

Only problem you may have with a plastic outer skin on your condenser is the junction with the incoming vapour pipe.  The pipe can get quite hot depending on the temperature at which you demeth.  These days I rarely go much over 80°C, but some people take the temperature higher.  You may well be ok if you can ensure the plastic section is totally filled with no air space. 

You're right, there are many opinions on the best way to finish bio.  I think it's generally accepted the water washing usually produces the cleanest bio, but many folks get very good results by demething as much as possible, doing a 7% water wash in the processor then pump to a settling tank and bubble over night and settle for as long as possible.  You can then pump through a dry wash tower, filter (say 5µ) and into the car.

It's a lot less messing around and more energy efficient than water washing and the way I've made bio for several years, but then my old Disco isn't too fussy on fuel quality.

I agree with Tony, try various ways and see what suits you best.
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