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Strange happening when drying.
« on: August 02, 2014, 11:19:18 AM »

All very logical when you know what's going on but it threw me until I'd worked out what was happening.

Picked up some oil the other day from a regular but infrequent supplier.  The call to collect came a lot sooner than expected, only a month or two after the last collection when normally it's at least six months between collections.

Got it home and it contained copious amounts of water where they had punched the top of the tin, hence the early call.  Knowing it was wet and usually not the best quality, I stuck it all in my fat melting tank (the one that's defiantly not made from a gas bottle, and if it is, it's of indeterminate supplier), switched the heat on and left it to separate.

Came back half an hour later and the tank hadn't warmed up (immersion stat is set at 70°C).  Thoughts turned to replacing the heater, but then further investigation revealed the very bottom section of the tank was hot.  Drawing on my many phisics qualifications I deducted that the heat should have risen to the top ... this completely threw me until I sused that the free water level must be above the heater and it was only the free water which was getting hot, no heat passing across the oil/water interface.  All very logical, but a weird feeling of disbelief before I'd worked out what was going on.

While quite amusing in this circumstance, it's a situation worth remembering if you use a Berco or similar tank to dewater and take the temperature anywhere close to boiling.  It could result in a sudden release of steam from under the oil layer.
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Re: Strange happening when drying.
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2014, 12:46:10 PM »
With all those qualifications surely you should have deduced that your tank is upside down?

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Re: Strange happening when drying.
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2014, 01:11:15 PM »
With all those qualifications surely you should have deduced that your tank is upside down?

He, he, never thought of that!
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Re: Strange happening when drying.
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2014, 05:26:46 PM »
I've had the same thing happen a few times.
I too spent a while scratching my head before coming up with the same answer as you.
Once the free water was drained all returned to normal.

I tend to pour everything in and let it settle for a few days before heat and settle, so if I have high water content you get this problem.
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Re: Strange happening when drying.
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2014, 08:33:57 PM »
What is the reason for that happening? Why doesn't the heat transfer on up through?
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Re: Strange happening when drying.
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2014, 11:31:50 PM »
What is the reason for that happening? Why doesn't the heat transfer on up through?

A little heat probably transfers by conductance, but the water heats around the heater and rises because it's less dense than the rest of the water.  When it get to the oil, it's more dense than the oil so won't travel up through it.  It will set up a convection current within the water phase thus only heating the water.  Once the water's up to temperature, the heater will switch off.

I'm sure this phenomenon could be put to some use ... I'm just not smart enough to think of one!
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Re: Strange happening when drying.
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2014, 10:04:19 AM »
Ah, I can see what you mean. Cheers.
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