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Offline greasemonkey

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Zip Military cooking fuel.
« on: September 17, 2013, 11:53:08 PM »
This stuff........
http://www.zipmilitaryfuel.com/bio-fuel/
.......appears to be made from Palm oil. It says on the pack Methyl Esther.

On another forum, someone has given this as a description of what it is.
http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=8050

Its getting good reviews amongst camping/zombie apocalypse type people.

Now being as we are Palmy, Methanoly type people, I was wonder if it was makable.
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Re: Zip Military cooking fuel.
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2013, 08:46:48 AM »
I wonder how much of it is methylated capric acid?

The problem for is us finding triglycerices that are rich in capric acid.  According to wikipedia, it's 10% in coconut oil and 4% in palm oil.

So unless the resulting biodiesel is fractionally distilled, the resulting fuel will have a similar ratio.

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Re: Zip Military cooking fuel.
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2013, 11:15:05 PM »
Ah yeah, looks like the fractional distillation is the key.
What is the likelihood that an MSDS sheet would be available for this? Would that give a better clue as to what it is made of?
Could be worth shooting them an Email?
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Re: Zip Military cooking fuel.
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2013, 04:22:57 PM »
Hi, ....I'm Rick, an R&D Chemical Consultant specialising in combustion chemistry - mostly related to bio-fuels and associated, I worked mostly in The USA....and am now semi-retired in Portugal.

I am the person that oversees and guides the development of the recently launched 'Zip Military Fuel Block' so am probably best placed to answer some of the questions without giving away confidentialities or commercial secrets, so read on............ The info below is in the public domain and freely available to researchers.

At the risk of coming over all professorial............

As Tony quite correctly surmised, the material used is a short chain narrow cut methyl ester and not the usual biodiesel type. The chain length chosen - for odour as well as flash point reasons, [capric or C8 has a strong soapy/chemical smell] - is at 10 carbons [methyl decanoate - and has very little odour], and just to be clear,  is not the broader cut primarily 16/18 carbons as in biodiesel. This results in a more readily ignitable product, due to the lower flash point and boiling range.

The material is principally derived by esterification of  C10 fatty acid found  primarily coconut oil or sometimes, palm oil which are relatively rich in this component and is separated by vacuum distillation. There are other oil sources but this is  the predominant source at this time. The UK Headquartered company I Consult for, is currently specialising in eco-chemistry driven new product development routes -- and this product is one of the first 'ecosafe' worldwide interest products aimed at Military and outdoor leisure folks, to replace the toxic material 'hexamine' as used as a cooking fuel up to this time.

The liquid material is essentially 'solidified' by use of polymer chemistry techniques, where the Me-Ester is trapped as micro-globules in a closed cell structure and answering a question posed in this string -  I am afraid this would not be able to be made at home.

I hope this helps the understanding of the product...........Rick

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Re: Zip Military cooking fuel.
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2013, 04:51:00 PM »
Hi Rick welcome to the forum and tank you very much for posting an explanation. :)

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Re: Zip Military cooking fuel.
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2013, 06:03:20 PM »
Cool! Good of you to take the trouble to give an explanation.
Very interesting to know.

Are you aware that the black soot it leaves all over the cooking pot seems to be putting a few people off using it? Not that I have actually used it myself, just what I have read online.
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Re: Zip Military cooking fuel.
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2013, 07:29:38 PM »
Welcome to the wiki and forum and thanks for your detailed reply.

The logo looks the the same or similar, so I'm guessing it's the same company as produce ZIP fire lighters.

From an "old farts in sheds" perspective, it would be great to have you drop in regularly, very few of us on here have an in-depth chemistry knowledge and most, like me, are complete Muppets when it comes to that side of things.

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Re: Zip Military cooking fuel.
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2013, 09:29:16 PM »
Welcome to the wiki and forum and thanks for your detailed reply.

The logo looks the the same or similar, so I'm guessing it's the same company as produce ZIP fire lighters.

From an "old farts in sheds" perspective, it would be great to have you drop in regularly, very few of us on here have an in-depth chemistry knowledge and most, like me, are complete Muppets when it comes to that side of things.

sheds? this old fart hasn't even got a shed. just a damp windblown yurt. i could create some space in the coach, but that would mean sorting all my c**p out. there are limits.........