MAGNETIC IMPULSE REACTORS

[nathanrobo]

Anyone heard of this process?  MAGNETIC IMPULSE REACTORS

http://ctsystems.ua/

http://www.biofluidtech.com/reactor.html

[Julian]

Had a quick look info seemed to be more about cavitation reactors and then googled this, more our style of things ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abw3dG0SB0g

Not wholly convinced that you can cause cavitation by releasing pressure, but he claims to be making bio using a pump, a pipe and a few valves.

[nathanrobo]

Hmm

Spoke to a guy earlier in Wales, who's thinking about importing a commercial scaled setup.  I was a little cynical, coz nobody seems to be talking about this process.  He reckoned that the key benefits were, lower energy and 100% reaction in a single dose.

[greasemonkey]

I must say, it looks very plausible. The websites look professional, I wouldn't have thought anyone would go to that trouble for a scam, and anyway, anyone looking at buying is gonna want to try before they buy.
The you tube vid looks convincing, he's not trying to sell something, or make a big song and dance.

Any idea where in Wales the bloke is Nathan? I can understand if thats a bit confidential though.

[Julian]

I think some of the ultrasonic system rely on cavitation.  The set up in the video I posted would be really easy to try.  I wonder if the turbulence in the pump and the impact after squirting through the valve aren't giving a very through mechanical mixing without cavitation.

I guess it doesn't really matter how it's mixed so long as it works.

I've seen things called high sheer mixers at several industrial plants. These could quite easily be installed in a pipe rather than a tank ... wonder how they would perform?

[greasemonkey]

Yes, there does seem to be a difference between the magnetic thingamy, and the setup in the vid. I must say, magnetic ultrasonic stuff is outside my understanding.
Do you think the thing in the vid works in a similar fashion to a squirrel? Releasing the pressure suddenly, causing some kind of reaction?
It does look quite simple to set up, although maybe the ultrasonic equipment is not that complicated, if your into that kind of stuff.

[Head Womble]

If you force a mix of liquid through a very small hole at high pressure it's got mix.

Just think about funneling 10 lanes of traffic into one, once past the bottle neck all lanes are mixed.

[Julian]

Yes, there does seem to be a difference between the magnetic thingamy, and the setup in the vid. I must say, magnetic ultrasonic stuff is outside my understanding.
Do you think the thing in the vid works in a similar fashion to a squirrel? Releasing the pressure suddenly, causing some kind of reaction?
It does look quite simple to set up, although maybe the ultrasonic equipment is not that complicated, if your into that kind of stuff.

The theory of ultrasonic is quite easy.  A plate is made to vibrate at very high frequency which creates vibration in the bio, some times to the point of cavitation.  Basically you're bashing the bio around.

I've no idea what makes the plate vibrate though.  I do know the transducers of a usable size are ferociously expensive.

The theory is very similar to a squirrel, but the temperature is ambient, so I'd guess the methanol isn't flashing.  I suspect Jim could do the calcs and give a definitive answer.

[Julian]

So who's got a gear pump handy.

Haven't got one on my collection.  I wonder what pressure the vane pumps go up to?

[Head Womble]

Tony will have, I'm taking one to the BBB for him.

[Julian]

Perhaps we could put together a test rig at the BBB.  I could bring a pressure gauge or three!

[Oilybloke]

If you force a mix of liquid through a very small hole at high pressure it's got mix.

Just think about funneling 10 lanes of traffic into one, once past the bottle neck all lanes are mixed.

Sounds like an eductor to me........

[Head Womble]

If you force a mix of liquid through a very small hole at high pressure it's got mix.

Just think about funneling 10 lanes of traffic into one, once past the bottle neck all lanes are mixed.

Sounds like an eductor to me........

Sounds the same, but it's a completely differant set of principals behind it.

[Dickjotec]

Watching the video a hydraulic pump sounds like it would do, it is certainly enough presure! Even when they are worn they are still well above 150 psi.
If it works as well as it looks on the vid at room temp then a bit of heat could make it even better. A glyc seperator should be possible to include.
Can auto demething also be possible. A heater on the pipe will raise the temp over 90c then output through a flash evaporator and condense, would need a second pump though (how about a twin hydraulic pump?)
A fully continual process is the aim I would think.
Dick

[greasemonkey]

I wonder how hot it gets anyway. There must be a bit of heat built up at that pressure. I wonder is the pressure critical, or is it more to do with the heat that is built up at that pressure.
I wonder would a hydraulic pump off a mini digger work.