ASM and somehow I've managed to make Jelly!

[Julian]

I'd have thought that Methanol would only hold trace amounts in suspension, not bucket fulls!

[Head Womble]

I've never produced bucket fulls so I can't comment on that.

Before you say it, I know, I've produced a reactor full, twice.
It's still sat in drums and one day I'll get around to slowly mixing it in with my future batches.

[Julian]

So, on these two batches of soap when did the soap first appear?

[Carrington]

Hi Julian
This is my take on things , as any soaps or excess base is soluble in meth then while there is plenty of meth then the batch would look ok regardless of how much of the soap/ base is in the the batch and on testing would still give good results.
On removing the meth then things become apparent with physical problems. This was the good thing about a open top reactor , being able to do visual inspections to see what's going on.

If you have all the gloop out and can finish the batch then I would save the gloop for the next batch and put it into the feed stock before a Glyc wash, this way you get to use the base chem's but if it is soap (I'm not convinced that its soap and think its excess base ) then the Glyc wash after will remove the water thus releasing the base chem's.

This is just a quick jot on things inbetween a million other things going on. Plus as on iPhone can't see picks.
Phons on tomorrow if you want a chat


Paul

[1958steveflying]

Although Steve seems to have had a similar experience, I still can't see why the soap is only obvious once the Methanol is removed, didn't you think that strange when it happened to you, Steve?

I did think it strange but put it down to overdosing as I was glyc washing too (possible partial reaction) and my research at the time was "jelly" meant overdose with NAoH whereas KoH was tolerant of overdosing.

At the time I went on to mixing the full 100% of Methoxide, using 80%  for stage 1 and then doing stage 2 with a further 5% at a time. Never actually used the last 10% and got a clear pass.  This 10% went in with the next glyc wash and so I got to a point where I was not using hardly any of the stage 2 amount so started doing a 45/5 after stage 1 to calculate stage 2 amount.
  Not long before I stopped Titrating !  And realised that actually the JTF 3.5g base was actually accurate if you did it this way.  Lots of dribs and drabs came out on VOD, most getting stamped on in some way lol.

[Head Womble]

About 10 mins after the methoxide was introduced, the pump started to sound very labored so I took a sample,
the sample was stringy as it came out and formed a skin very quickly, soon after it was sold.

I now know this was down to wet feed stock.

[Carrington]

Hi mark
With regards to your 2 bucket fulls we can sort them easly in 1go much better than waiting to put bits into other reactions and maybe complicating future reactions

Paul

[Julian]

Hi mark
With regards to your 2 bucket fulls we can sort them easly in 1go much better than waiting to put bits into other reactions and maybe complicating future reactions

Paul

No, no, I do bucket fulls.  Mark does whole reactor fulls!

I'm guessing your next post will involve acid.

[Head Womble]

Paul, the two bucket fulls are actually over 400L of solid creamy coloured stuff, rich in meths.

My thought were to stick say 10% of the batch size in before gly washing.
What do you have in mind ?

[Carrington]

I had the same thing on my second ever batch. The guy I got my machine from said I sould bury  it in the garden.
3 months later I converted it to bio
I wasn't using acid at this stage so can still be sorted without acid.

Mark I will try and give you a ring tomorrow , when would be the best time.

Paul

[Head Womble]

I'm at work today, so some time after 6:30pm, I'll pm you home number.
Thanks mate.