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Re: In processor titrated water wash method
« Reply #150 on: October 20, 2012, 12:29:34 PM »
Mark can you give me a ring I think I have a reason why your motors are running different but it would be a lot of typing to explaine and would like to make sure before posting

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Re: In processor titrated water wash method
« Reply #151 on: October 20, 2012, 12:48:25 PM »
Another point to factor in is that Mark maintains both these vehicles!
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Re: In processor titrated water wash method
« Reply #152 on: October 20, 2012, 07:05:15 PM »
The bio had three washes, one 10 % and two 20%.  final wash ended with a soap content of 30.4.

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Re: In processor titrated water wash method
« Reply #153 on: October 20, 2012, 09:18:21 PM »
I've spoken to Paul (Carrington) this evening (thanks mate) and things are looking clearer,
I'll leave him to spill the beans as I've a feeling he'll explain thing better than me.
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Re: In processor titrated water wash method
« Reply #154 on: October 21, 2012, 05:49:51 PM »
Hi all
Having spoken to Mark I think he's going to be ok as he did several water washes after over dosing so should have washed the acid out. As for different proforming vehicle's I think that by overdosing on hydrachloric by so much he may have broken the methyel ester bond leaving him with FFA's or depending on temp and agitation and how much free glycerine was in the bio at the time he could many have produced some mono's or diglycerides ( not sure about this but will be doing some tests soon along side testing a theory on hmpe's ).
If anyone get's hmpe's can you please save me them as I think I may be able to prevent them in the wbd system but need different sorts to get some proper results.

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Re: In processor titrated water wash method
« Reply #155 on: October 21, 2012, 07:43:24 PM »
Hi all
Having spoken to Mark I think he's going to be ok as he did several water washes after over dosing so should have washed the acid out. As for different proforming vehicle's I think that by overdosing on hydrachloric by so much he may have broken the methyel ester bond leaving him with FFA's or depending on temp and agitation and how much free glycerine was in the bio at the time he could many have produced some mono's or diglycerides ( not sure about this but will be doing some tests soon along side testing a theory on hmpe's ).
If anyone get's hmpe's can you please save me them as I think I may be able to prevent them in the wbd system but need different sorts to get some proper results.

Cheers

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All sounds most interesting, so do you have a test for mono and diglycerides?

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Re: In processor titrated water wash method
« Reply #156 on: October 28, 2012, 07:28:12 PM »
A quick update on my car, I added 0.5 % acetone )premixed in some bio) to my car and it made no difference at all to start with.
However the more I drove it the better it ran.

Ive now used all the fuel that was in the car and fulled it with my latest batch (my second acid titration water wash) and it's now running better than ever.
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Re: In processor titrated water wash method
« Reply #157 on: October 28, 2012, 08:35:30 PM »
Cant wait to get my "new" improved mk5 processor up and running to try this method, especially with winter nearly here and dreaded HMPE`s

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Re: In processor titrated water wash method
« Reply #158 on: October 28, 2012, 09:50:52 PM »
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Glad to hear that the cars running well and you have had more success with the second go at titrated water wash
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Re: In processor titrated water wash method
« Reply #159 on: November 02, 2012, 09:32:03 PM »
I've always been very nervous of pump washing but tried Paul's method on the last couple of batches.  I didn't titrate though, just added vinegar a bottle at a time, mixing well and taking a sample to do a water shake up test in a clear jar.  As soon as I get a sample that doesn't cloud, I pump from the processor into the wash tank, wash with 10 litres or so, followed by a small mist wash, shake up test again and then dry. 

It's working really well!  I'm saving so much time & energy :-)  It's a bit like two stage  - all win - no downsides! 

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Re: In processor titrated water wash method
« Reply #160 on: November 03, 2012, 07:46:06 AM »
I've not yet had a go at this particular method as I've been having some rather odd and satisfying results with my water washing since using ASM. For some reason I can gently bubble wash my 150lts of Bio with just three 10lt washes over 36hrs without adding any additional chemicals. I then perform a hot pump wash and dry.

If things change I'll have a good read through this information and give it a go.

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Re: In processor titrated water wash method
« Reply #161 on: November 03, 2012, 06:33:02 PM »
From what I understand from Carrington, it's the chemistry that's important when neutralising with acid. 

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Re: In processor titrated water wash method
« Reply #162 on: November 03, 2012, 08:02:43 PM »
An update on the batch I ran ...

Both the PD Golf and the Disco have run fine on the batch (as fine as the Disco ever runs!), but in making a comparison between this batch after about a week settling, and the previous batch which was water washed, this batch was still quite cloudy.  I' now have a DSS sitting outside, and I'll keep a close eye on it over the next week or so.
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Re: In processor titrated water wash method
« Reply #163 on: November 04, 2012, 05:34:07 PM »
right chaps, I've been trying too keep up on this thread even though I'm more than happy with my method and not thinking of changing, but as ever just trying to simplify/clarify things

But ifn we assume folks have done a reasonable conversion and haven't used to much catalyst you should be able to work out some rough guidelines for amounts of acid per litre to neutralise the soaps created from good oil thyrough to bad oil?

And assuming someone did use a little too much would that cause any major problems, except needing more water to remove?

EDIT: just read Nathans post it's where I'm leaning



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Re: In processor titrated water wash method
« Reply #164 on: November 04, 2012, 06:14:52 PM »
right chaps, I've been trying too keep up on this thread even though I'm more than happy with my method and not thinking of changing, but as ever just trying to simplify/clarify things

But ifn we assume folks have done a reasonable conversion and haven't used to much catalyst you should be able to work out some rough guidelines for amounts of acid per litre to neutralise the soaps created from good oil thyrough to bad oil?

And assuming someone did use a little too much would that cause any major problems, except needing more water to remove?

EDIT: just read Nathans post it's where I'm leaning

My first and only batch so far Paul came to me with vinegar, we did a trial and error addition of the vinegar on samples and then an amount added to the batch with some water, pumped and left overnight. The vinegar was dropped and with this 180 litre batch I used 5 x 25 litre pumped water washes,  the water was still coming out slightly milky. Each 25 litre was left at least 12 hrs before being dropped. It was then left for a few days as I was away and then dried.

 Paul tested a sample for soap and water content which both came out perfect, however it was acidic, Ph 4.2 I think it was which he then titrated and came out at 0.8. Based on the theory that Wvo users would use oil that could titrate up to 10 or so It has just been added to around 80 litres of the previous batch.

2 questions spring to mind 1, if too much vinegar was used why was the water still milky ? all the soap should have been well gone ! . . .  2, why did 125 litres of water not neutralise the acid and balance the Ph of the Bio ?

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