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Re: De-meth times
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2012, 02:33:10 PM »
Yes exactly as you describe Adamski. Ideally I'd use 500l but I'm hoping a 340l plastic header tank will suffice. If not I may have to find a way of cooling the water (pump through radiator?) or air cooling the hot vapour before it reaches the condenser.

I suspect demeth speed is also limited by heat input so I'm going to use two immersions, the second inline as part of a flash evapourator driven by a high pressure pump. Hopefully that'll do the trick!

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Re: De-meth times
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2012, 03:28:08 PM »
Tony look for a large wheelie bin, the biggest two wheel type are 360L (most household ones are 240L), the smallest four wheel type are 660L.
I have a 360L one and the water hardly gets warm over demeth.
I may be able to get you a 360L if you don't mind traveling up to get it.
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Re: De-meth times
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2012, 07:23:18 PM »
Julian - my processor was built by jrl so just what he does as standard. There's probably a few inches from the T-piece for the vapour return and the bottom of the methanol pipe which is in the collection drum. I would descibe it as a continuous trickle. What is a plenum?


The last venturi I saw from Jim  was a three port unit, so I think you can be reasonably sure it's ok.

A plenum is a void space.  It is beneficial to have the central 15mm pipe or pipes of the condenser discharge into quite a large volume.  That way the air flow slows right down giving the liquid Methanol a chance to drop out.  If you run the air flow through the Methanol collection vessel, this will have the same effect.

The diagrams on the wiki just show straight pipe work, so it might be worth modifying them to show a plenum or at least adding a note about it.  Or perhaps adding to the plumbers delight page.

At the end of the day, your demeth times seem reasonable compared to mine, I wouldn't spend too much time changing things.  Probably the quickest most effective alteration you could make would be to increase the temperature, you don't say what temperature you currently use.

These days I run the heater set to 65°C throughout processing, except during the introduction of Methoxide.  That way the Bio is well up to temperature at the start of demeth.

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Re: De-meth times
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2012, 08:21:34 PM »
Tony look for a large wheelie bin, the biggest two wheel type are 360L (most household ones are 240L), the smallest four wheel type are 660L.
I have a 360L one and the water hardly gets warm over demeth.
I may be able to get you a 360L if you don't mind traveling up to get it.

Cheers for the offer but I've already got a 340l header tank that I picked up for a Tenner :) I'm hoping that's big enough. It's that or the ibc but I don't want to make holes in that.

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Re: De-meth times
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2012, 08:22:21 PM »
I didnt put a great deal of thought into it but when i was thinking of having a condenser for de-watering it crossed my mind that if we were talking about a copper coil in a sealed water tank with no chance of cross contamination then why not plumb it into the cold water tank in the loft?,a small tank and pumped return making use of a large body of cold water already available and if it gets warm just go and water the garden.
So what glaring error have i missed?  ???

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Re: De-meth times
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2012, 08:53:12 PM »
Tony look for a large wheelie bin, the biggest two wheel type are 360L (most household ones are 240L), the smallest four wheel type are 660L.
I have a 360L one and the water hardly gets warm over demeth.
I may be able to get you a 360L if you don't mind traveling up to get it.

Cheers for the offer but I've already got a 340l header tank that I picked up for a Tenner :) I'm hoping that's big enough. It's that or the ibc but I don't want to make holes in that.

No probs mate.
Youdon't need to make any holes in an IBC, just drop a submersible pump in there.
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Re: De-meth times
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2012, 08:56:15 PM »
Ah yes more pumps mmmmmm    8)

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Re: De-meth times
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2012, 07:09:10 PM »
I use one like this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Submersible-Aquarium-Water-Pump-3000L-H-New-All-Pond-Solutions-3000PP-/400312057797?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PondsWaterFeatures_UK&hash=item5d34753fc5
Works for me.

I've got an unused one similar to that if anyone want it f.o.c?
Gone down the copper coil in 200L route now - it's one less plug about.
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Re: De-meth times
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2012, 10:44:28 PM »
You'd be better off with a single 25ft coil of 12mm microbore in a big water tank.  Can't contest that for dwell time and surface area, and no need for pumping.  It's what I'm building for my 500l processor :)

Just started on the mk2 coil in tank tonight; 15 m of 10 mm microbore around my dalek that sits inside an water filled 205L HDPE meth drum.
It 'sort of' worked with half inch braided hose on the mk1, which I happened to have lying around.

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Re: De-meth times
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2012, 11:11:27 PM »
Are you going to submerge your dalek in there as well when its operational? If so it may reduce the heat transfer between the water on the inside of the dalek and the outside of it. I would put a load of holes in the dalek with a big cone bit.

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Re: De-meth times
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2012, 12:31:33 AM »
Yes, he'll be totally sub acqua, and hopefully condensing vapour like a good 'un!
The holes there currently were just to avoid 'bouyancy issues' when braided hose was used.
The coolant water temp. will rise slowly as demeth commences, the whole lot (volume) being homogenious, type thing innit!
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Re: De-meth times
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2012, 09:35:19 PM »
I recover meth from bio only using a twin pd.

A couple of batches ago I had a 80L batch finished and stood for a few days ready to de meth. However I heated it up and forgot I was supposed to be de mething and I just transferred and bubbled in settling tank.

The bio settled well and was just as normal.

So... is it worth the effort/cost to demeth?

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Re: De-meth times
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2012, 09:40:41 PM »
Chug did the figures a while back and yes, it's financially viable.  It's up to you as to wether it's worth the effort.
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