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Re: Mixing vs. processing
« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2019, 04:28:42 PM »
Can't believe it was a year ago that I started this topic.  Returning to it, it looks like Dave had already looked at what I've been looking at on the last batch.

So, I've had it in my head for some years that the bulk of the conversion takes place when the methoxide is first introduced so I did a 3/27 test after the initial mix.  Result was 0.7ml dropout.  I usually do five mixes of around two minutes each, often over a period of days (depending on what's convenient for me) and did another 3/27 after the fifth mix.  The result was exactly the same.

I ran the second stage and again tested after the initial mix and got a clear 3/27.  I'm now wondering if multiple mixes are even necessary.  Dave's results in the last post indicate that perhaps they are, but on the next batch I'm going to try just one mix on stage one and if the 3/27 test looks promising, go straight to stage two and test again.

I should add that the current oil is of good quality and glycerine washed.  Both washing and mixing were done at ambient … currently circa 22°C.  I'm using Frankinpump running against a new design of venturi ("design" is perhaps a misleading term!) which I think creates considerable turbulence and which I'll post more on when I can find some fittings to photograph.

If I get similar results on the next batch, I'll post up the details.
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Re: Mixing vs. processing
« Reply #31 on: August 04, 2019, 09:30:19 PM »
Now that is an interesting read. Ambient processing and minimal mixing. I'm a couple of weeks away from my next brew.....guess what i'm going to do?

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Re: Mixing vs. processing
« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2019, 10:57:09 PM »
The only issue I have with processing at ambient is the glyc drop out & separation after glyc washing.  It takes too long & never looks (I have a glass panel in my processor) like the clean, sharp line of separation I get at >40 degrees.

I glyc wash twice, once with the stuff I used one time on the previous batch & once with the 'virgin' glyc made in the previous batch. At >40 it all drops out in an hour.
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Re: Mixing vs. processing
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2019, 01:31:20 AM »
Now that is an interesting read. Ambient processing and minimal mixing. I'm a couple of weeks away from my next brew.....guess what i'm going to do?

Nige, you probably know, but the ambient processing was Daves idea, not mine.
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Re: Mixing vs. processing
« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2019, 01:36:14 AM »
The only issue I have with processing at ambient is the glyc drop out & separation after glyc washing.  It takes too long & never looks (I have a glass panel in my processor) like the clean, sharp line of separation I get at >40 degrees.

I glyc wash twice, once with the stuff I used one time on the previous batch & once with the 'virgin' glyc made in the previous batch. At >40 it all drops out in an hour.

Never really seems to be a problem, but then I'm never in a rush to process these days.  If it's done at ambient you're not trying to do things before the batch cools and with intermittent mixing you can leave the batch half way through for several days if needed.
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Re: Mixing vs. processing
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2019, 03:28:02 PM »
There is definitely something in this intermittent mixing. When I mix some for the central heating in a cubie, I mix it by shaking for no longer than 10 seconds and do that 3 times in the 1st half hour.

It then gets left for 4 days or so. This is all done outside and so in mid Winter the temp can be down to zero-ish.

When I do a 10/90 on the bio (just to see as the conversion doesn't really matter) you wouldn't know the difference if it had been pump mixed at temp for 1 hour.
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Re: Mixing vs. processing
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2019, 10:58:29 PM »
Just in the middle of the next batch.

i did a glycerine wash but much of the glycerine seemed to be retained in the oil.  I ran stage one and very little glycerine dropped, so I gave it a second mix and then a 3/27 test and got a 1ml drop out.  I drained the little glycerine that had dropped and ran stage two, just one mix.  After a day or so to drop a very small amount of glycerine I did a 3/27 test and got a clear pass.

I'm struggling to believe this result but a pass is a pass in my books so I'll leave it to settle some more and start washing.

I'll try again on the next batch which hopefully will behave more normally!
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Re: Mixing vs. processing
« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2019, 11:39:24 AM »
Does the intermittent mixing work with glyc washing too?

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Re: Mixing vs. processing
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2019, 01:18:16 AM »
I usually mix once with glycerine and then only for a brief period.

Using Frankinpump I think it has the capability of mixing so thoroughly that the glycerine tends to stay in suspension.  I think that's what happened on the last batch.
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Re: Mixing vs. processing
« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2019, 06:08:43 PM »
I did a second stage at 10C last week.  Just sucked in the Meth for stage 2 and left it.  This weekend, perfect pass!

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Re: Mixing vs. processing
« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2019, 08:49:53 PM »
I usually mix once with glycerine and then only for a brief period.

Using Frankinpump I think it has the capability of mixing so thoroughly that the glycerine tends to stay in suspension.  I think that's what happened on the last batch.

I found the same with my Frankenpump.
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Re: Mixing vs. processing
« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2019, 08:51:17 PM »
I did a second stage at 10C last week.  Just sucked in the Meth for stage 2 and left it.  This weekend, perfect pass!

bet you don't want to calculate how much elec you could have saved after all these years brewing.
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