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Re: No titration page and calculator
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2012, 03:34:47 PM »
I had that formulae on a big white board for a good few years. For the methanol I just alowed 70% of the methylate to be methanol. This isn't right but always worked ( I'm not a chemist I'm a bricklayer).
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Re: No titration page and calculator
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2012, 03:49:54 PM »
Ah yes of course, sound pretty reasonable to me :)

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Re: No titration page and calculator
« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2012, 07:44:47 AM »
I use the same formula but with a base figure of 4.0 for both stages and 12% (of batch volume) methanol for each stage.

That is a figure I have arrived at empirically but it works very well (especially when using glyc wash first).
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Re: No titration page and calculator
« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2012, 08:31:18 AM »
On the second stage do you could do unreacted percentage of batch * 20% Meth?

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Re: No titration page and calculator
« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2012, 12:53:40 PM »
You could use 20% of the unreacted litres as methanol but that will leave quite an excess in the glycerol and biodiesel.

I have successfully used 12% on each stage though.

On a 300 litre batch it generally goes like...
Glyc wash with 45 litres of glyc from last batch. Stop, drain glyc, add 30 litres of methanol + 6 litres of methylate, mix for 45mins, take sample, stop and wait for an hour.

Then I measure dropout of the nicely settled sample (normally is around the 2.0l mark) and drain the first stage glycerol.
Then multiply the dropout ratio (ie 20% normally) by the remaining batch size once first stage is drained.

It is important to do it that way I feel rather than just assume the batch size remains unchanged since, depending on moisture content etc, the batch size at the start of stage 2 could vary up or down.

Assuming it was 2.0ml dropout and remains at 300 litres batch size, the unconverted litres value is 60. Therefore I would mix up 4.0X60X5 = 1200ml of methylate with 12% of 60 = 7.2 litres of methanol and suck that in with the venturi.

I then start taking 10/90 samples from around 20mins mixing onwards and keep going until I get a perfect pass. If it's not perfect after an hour of second stage mixing I know I have messed up somewhere so just stop, drain second stage glyc and do a third stage. It is very rare that I have had to do this though (generally it has been down to me being in a hurry and having wet oil or not letting the glyc wash separate for long enough)
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