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Re: Julian / HMPE Test
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2012, 09:07:23 AM »
Unfortunately I have no way to water wash at the moment, and the outbuilding doesn't have the room as everything is being shifted around to make way for a 600l IBC + 2x 300l tanks perched atop it where the processor normally resides... which has all been put on hold while I sort out some jobs around the house.  I expect by the time I can experiment with water washing summer will be apon us :)

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Re: Julian / HMPE Test
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2012, 05:47:23 PM »
Here are samples form my first whole batch water wash.  I think I said previously, although they seem to prove the point, the method was rather unusual in that I didn't let the residual glycerol drop out in the settling tank.  I did everything which I believe promotes HMPEs and sure enough they appeared in the settling tank in quite large quantities.

The un-washed sample was taken and then the whole lot residual glycerol, HMPEs and any remaining Methanol was water washed.  This I suppose at least indicates that even once they've formed, it would seem that HMPEs can be dealt with by water washing (although the washed bio was not as clear as I would have wished for).

The samples have been outside for about three weeks ...



The un-washed sample on the right had to be swirled a bit to stir up the HMPEs which were well settled in the bottom of the jar.

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Re: Julian / HMPE Test
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2012, 11:49:10 PM »
Good news ... Nige has agreed to run a similar test.

He's going to take a sample pre and post 5% pre-wash as well as fully washed bio which is a great idea.  I'll do the same with the batch I'm determined I'll run tomorrow.
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Re: Julian / HMPE Test
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2012, 08:02:41 AM »
I can do the same,doing one today,the oil is at -7 at the moment!

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Re: Julian / HMPE Test
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2012, 03:00:24 PM »
Usually mains water seems to be between 8-12°C depending on the time of year and how deep the service pipe is.  Mine's a little different as it's delivered to the shed by hose pipe but is still usually above ambient this time of year.

Very good theory though.  I wonder if we could set up some tests washing with cold water ... tank outside or beer chiller running vs. mains water direct.

Just for info, I checked running mains water this morning after what's claimed to be the coldest night this winter and it was 9.1°C.
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Re: Julian / HMPE Test
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2012, 05:20:56 PM »
These are the samples at -7




this is the demethed back to about 2c



water washed



both contain "fluffy strands" more so in the demethed,are these hmpe,s? if not im not having a lot of success making them,might have to have a word with the master--------------TONY!

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Re: Julian / HMPE Test
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2012, 07:52:20 PM »
They don't look like HMPEs as I know them.  Looks more like gelling and waxing.  Remember your sample I tested waxed up until I added Wintron.

Your description of "fluffy strands" sounds more like what I know as HMPEs which form in a sealed container.  In the photos I posted above the HMPEs when gently swirled around look like fluid cotton wool (if such a thing is possible).  If vigorously shaken they break up and form a fine cloud throughout the sample.

HMPEs which form in an open settling tank seem to take a different form, that of balls or squashy crystals forming on the sides of the tank or anything suspended in the bio.

« Last Edit: February 11, 2012, 08:26:37 PM by Julian »
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