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Even failing at making emulsions now!
« on: April 04, 2014, 08:04:16 PM »
Last batch which I thought emulsified during 7% wash looks like it didn't, infact it was behaving quite normally.

Background ...
Fitted a bigger pump which, coupled with convoluted pipe work, contrived to create emulsions whilst pump washing.  The answer I thought was to employ the little Mono with a much lower flow rate and gentle pumping action to do the washing.

Issue this time ...
Added 7% water after quite a heavy demeth, and took a sample after a short while.  The sample was a thick dark brown gooey liquid.  Based on previous experience I assumed it was an emulsion and tried splitting it with acid which appeared not to work.  Leaving things in the processor with the sight glass valve open, very slowly bio started appearing on top of the emulsion.

Thinking this was a good thing I left it a little longer and ended up with what looked to be around 50% bio.

Today I decided to drain the emulsion and check out the bio that had split.  Whilst draining, the % of bio increased in the sight glass.  I ended up draining just the right volume of glycerin/water mix (circa 25%) before discovering about 75 -80 ltrs of bio.


What I recon happened ...

The batch went quite normally (but there's me expecting an emulsion based on last batches) but in using the Mono at 17 ltrs/min to water wash, I recon the glycerin was separating in the processor quicker than the pump could remove it, hence all it was doing was circulating glycerin rather than doing any meaningful washing.

All I ever saw at the sample point was a flow of water and glycerin and made the assumption that this was again an emulsion.

Batch has now had an acid wash with Frankenpump followed by a water wash.   I'm only running Frankenpump, long enough to get the water in via the venturi and all seems to be well so far.

Just though I'd post up in case anyone else comes across the same problem with low capacity pumps.
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Re: Even failing at making emulsions now!
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2014, 08:19:06 PM »
Can't you get anything right.

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Re: Even failing at making emulsions now!
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2014, 08:22:16 PM »
Ever thought of buying a petrol motor?

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Re: Even failing at making emulsions now!
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2014, 08:44:26 PM »
Perhaps I should have ended ...

Just though I'd post up in case anyone else comes across the same problem with low capacity pumps, or take the piss.
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Re: Even failing at making emulsions now!
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2014, 09:35:55 PM »
Take the piss, would we ever, we're only here to hep.

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Re: Even failing at making emulsions now!
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2014, 09:44:29 PM »
Take the piss, would we ever, we're only here to hep.

If I want your hep, I'll ask for it.
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Re: Even failing at making emulsions now!
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2014, 09:49:31 PM »
Take the piss, would we ever, we're only here to hep.

If I want your hep, I'll ask for it.

Now who's not taking the piss just 'cause I made a typo, you nasty man.

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Re: Even failing at making emulsions now!
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2014, 09:57:57 PM »
Perhaps I should have ended ...

Just though I'd post up in case anyone else comes across the same problem with low capacity pumps, or take the piss.
Are you ok taking a piss? Just wondered if we have to talk you through that as well, if that starts coming out funny colours see a doctor

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Re: Even failing at making emulsions now!
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2014, 07:23:04 PM »
Maybe you should try washing your bio with water rather than bodily waste liquids?

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Re: Even failing at making emulsions now!
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2014, 07:52:08 PM »
Maybe you should try washing your bio with water rather than bodily waste liquids?

It wouldn't surprise me if it neutralised some of the soap.  An experiment for the BBB perhaps?
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Re: Even failing at making emulsions now!
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2014, 09:38:32 AM »
Bio fumes are bad enough without them smelling of wee too.

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Re: Even failing at making emulsions now!
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2014, 04:55:00 PM »
I was thinking of it as a task for Womble as we didn't manage to kill him last year.
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Re: Even failing at making emulsions now!
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2014, 08:46:25 PM »
Someone mention Womble.

So this task, is it collecting the pee, providing the pee, or using it to wash bio ?
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Re: Even failing at making emulsions now!
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2014, 08:58:50 PM »
I wiil pass, im only any good at taking the pee  :(

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Re: Even failing at making emulsions now!
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2014, 09:00:48 PM »
Collecting pee ... I didn't think of that aspect of the task, good point.

I volunteer womble to sit at the bottom of Chugs composting toilet with a bucket.
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