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A possible reason for cloudy bio?
« on: July 31, 2013, 11:46:08 AM »
This is probably one of those really basic things that's only just dawned on me but which is common knowledge to everyone else to the extent they they don't bother commenting on it ... but here goes.

From time to time I'll get bio that, once washed, takes ages to clear.  Having acid and pump washed, most of the time it comes out of the processor virtually clear, but I've never understood why, on occasions, it remains cloudy despite heating to 90°C ish and distilling through PD.

I was in a rush on the last batch and only did a single stage and accepted a conversion rate of circa 90% (not an issue as the fuel was destined for the Disco).  This batch is now taking ages to clear despite bubbling from 70°C down to ambient over night in the settling tank (and no, the ambient humidity wasn't high at the time of bubbling).

Cloud it be that the oil has a far greater propensity to hold on to moisture that the bio hence the cloudiness?  My guess would be that it has.  Anyone else noticed this with poor conversions?
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Re: A possible reason for cloudy bio?
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2013, 12:15:08 PM »
dont suppose this will mean much to your point but i very rarely get cloudy veg after filtering / cooking, from what i have noticed if the stock oil is very wet beit suspended or free, i wouldnt go as far to say emulsified as this definately gives cloudy 1 micron filtered oil, but generally mushed up oil usually gives cloudy end product, and in the old days i used to heat the oil 3 times to try get a clear fuel, but found its not neccersary to get it that clean, but it always stays cloudy, so from my piont of view water and maybe fats pay a big part in the clouds...

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Re: A possible reason for cloudy bio?
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2013, 01:55:58 PM »
I've had bio go cloudy over time (taking moisture from the air?) but a trip through the drywash tower returns it to super shiney bio again.

Didn't we conclude that cold temps made monoglycerides drop to the bottom as what we called HMPEs?  Could be with it warm they're just in suspension and can wick up some moisture.

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Re: A possible reason for cloudy bio?
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2013, 06:38:16 PM »
I've always thought that cloudy bio is either water, or for us drywash people, HMPEs that drop into suspension rather than solution when the temperature drops.

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Re: A possible reason for cloudy bio?
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2013, 08:41:26 PM »
Maybe Mark has visited? and got took short?

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Re: A possible reason for cloudy bio?
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2013, 08:52:44 PM »
any bits of fur in it too? lol

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Re: A possible reason for cloudy bio?
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2013, 08:53:42 PM »
ooer i got a q do you pump the raw stock oil into processor? this can emulsify the oil before processing

i dont.