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Re: Processor pressure switch
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2012, 07:51:16 PM »
  On mine the tank penetration is pretty much where yours is.  From there I ran a 15mm pipe (although for dewatering there's no reason why it can't be smaller, *but see the note below) via an elbow up vertically to a point higher than the maximum fill level and stuck the needle valve on the end.  After the valve use small bore plastic.

The little compressor I use has no tank, just a relief valve, so I tend to close the needle valve whilst it's still running to trap air in the pipe, then turn the compressor off.  With the piping arrangement above, it shouldn't be a problem if bio/oil runs back up the pipe anyway, it can't go anywhere and will get blown back out next time it's used.


* Just a little hesitant to publicise the idea too widely, because if used for demething I'm sure it'll create a flammable atmosphere within the processor along with the likely hood of escaping fumes.  Added to which, small bore pipe work will increase the velocity of the air and just possibly give rise to static, this, coupled with the flammable atmosphere could be rather risky.
Have you got any pics Julian?

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Re: Processor pressure switch
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2012, 08:17:01 PM »
I'm tempted to say ... do you really need a photo of a fitting, a piece of pipe and a valve (as has been said before) ... but I won't!


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Re: Processor pressure switch
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2012, 10:40:07 PM »
My system is a bit of a birds nest of pipe work, largely due too many mods., so I've marked up the photo.  Yellow arrows show the air path and white the components ... I hope it's fairly self explanatory.



This is the little compressor I use, very big and heavy for it's small output.



If anything needs further explanation, let me know.

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Re: Processor pressure switch
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2012, 11:03:23 PM »
Ahh,i think im with you now
Is one of these suitable?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261006206329?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_1438wt_952
and just screwed into the bottom socket from the inside or have you piped it over to be more central?
Any recommendations on the needle valve? and would an airbrush comp be suitable?
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Re: Processor pressure switch
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2012, 12:30:27 AM »
That's identical to the one I used, but bigger.  I think I soldered mine directly onto a 15mm pipe (being careful the solder didn't run into the sintering) but I may have turned the thread down on the lathe to fit.  It does protrude into the tank about 6" .. I don't think bubbles travelling up the processor wall would be as effective.  However, like I said before, I have a gut feeling that the sintered silencer isn't the way to go ... I recon a sparge pipe might be better.

I've just had a play in the garage and found a very easy way of putting really tiny holes into 15mm pipe.  Many years ago I was given a small quantity of very sharp, very finely tapered, very hard steel pins.  They were used for constructing wiring harnesses or looms.  I never understood why they couldn't simply use nails, but the guy who gave them to me made electrical control cabinets for a living and said they were the best things to use.

Anyhow using one as a punch puts an incredibly small hole through the wall of 15mm copper.  Looking at the depth the pin penetrates and measuring the taper at that point I recon the holes are about 0.6mm.  I have vague recollections that they were called layout pins in the trade, but I can't find anything on them with a quick Google.  HCII might know what they are called or they could be made from silver steel on a bench grinder and hardened afterwards.  If you can wait I can give you one (a pin that is) at Chugs.

I can't find one on ebay, but if you go for a needle valve, this is the sort of thing to look for ... http://www.swagelok.com/search/find_products_home.aspx?show_results=Y&item=42e66d92-14ca-497c-9246-d6922ca2a4c3  but cheaper!

If you are ONLY dewatering oil or bio, you don't really need a needle valve, you can use quite a high volume of air perhaps controlled by a gate valve if needs be.  I know you want a condenser to give an indication of when the oil's dry, but during the drying process it's of little consequence if you vent excess moisture to atmosphere, the condenser will still show you when no more water is being driven off.

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Re: Processor pressure switch
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2012, 01:10:57 AM »
And now with my sensible head on ... I could put a pin in the post for you!
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Re: Processor pressure switch
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2012, 09:32:44 PM »
A pin in the post would be ideal,i do have some minute drill bits as well which may be worth me trying,i bought them to make my Babbington nozzle
I will have a look what valves ive got,im sure there must be something suitable knocking about.
The only thing i may have to purchase is a small compressor,i was thinking along the lines of an air brush one but i doubt they are rated for continuous use,i run the Babbington off of a 12V car inflater but they have a tendency to melt after about 15 minutes
Ive found this so far
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Small-compressor-Model-maker-air-brush-/170846059877?pt=UK_Air_Tools_and_Compressors&hash=item27c737fd65#ht_500wt_1202
I would be tempted to buy it anyway,it looks neat!

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Re: Processor pressure switch
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2012, 09:43:19 PM »
What are fridge compressors like?,ive never even looked at one,could they be used?

Julian could you get this one for me?i will pay you back at the BBB
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Needle-Valve-Assy-Bypass-and-Shutoff-Assembly-/160776834340?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item256f0bcd24#ht_616wt_952
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Re: Processor pressure switch
« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2012, 09:55:49 PM »
Don't think I kept the address of Tosser Towers, so can you U2U it again please?

To make the hole I supported the tube in a partially open vice, didn't anneal it but that might make the pin last longer.

Ha ... I'd typed this and came back to the thread to find you'd mentioned fridge compressors  ...  "It might be worth checking if it's a refrigeration compressor, I heard once they're de-gassed they loose their lubrication some how.  Don't know how true that is but might be worth asking."

Domestic units are an "all in one" design, commercial units often have a separate motor.

But if you are ONLY dewatering and have a nearby air supply, which I think you said you had, why not fit a decent regulator with gauge and needle valve.  You know and understand what you are doing, so with those two bits of kit you can safely control the air supply.
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Re: Processor pressure switch
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2012, 07:50:37 PM »
Well one phone call and a fridge compressor was on the doorstep when i got home,so i will have a play just to see
Taking a step back before i fit the BRTP Exp atmosphere device i had a good look at the dewatering in action tonight.
With the old set up with vertical sides and lid off the steam just blew away,what i noticed today was steam exiting but the conical sides above the oil level were covered with condensation,it looks like my dewatering of the oil is fine but its not leaving the processor, whether this condensation will run back and sink to be removed when draining remains to be seen,any ideas on how i can cure this condensation?

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Re: Processor pressure switch
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2012, 09:25:39 PM »
what if you used a venturi to circulate the air instead of it being stagnant in the head space?

like with the condenser idea...

whats the fridge compressor for?
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Re: Processor pressure switch
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2012, 09:37:09 PM »
A pin in the post would be ideal,i do have some minute drill bits as well which may be worth me trying,i bought them to make my Babbington nozzle
I will have a look what valves ive got,im sure there must be something suitable knocking about.
The only thing i may have to purchase is a small compressor,i was thinking along the lines of an air brush one but i doubt they are rated for continuous use,i run the Babbington off of a 12V car inflater but they have a tendency to melt after about 15 minutes
Ive found this so far
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Small-compressor-Model-maker-air-brush-/170846059877?pt=UK_Air_Tools_and_Compressors&hash=item27c737fd65#ht_500wt_1202
I would be tempted to buy it anyway,it looks neat!

looks kool

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vintage-compressor-museum-show-piece-/170846056241?pt=UK_Air_Tools_and_Compressors&hash=item27c737ef31

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Re: Processor pressure switch
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2012, 10:03:06 PM »
what if you used a venturi to circulate the air instead of it being stagnant in the head space?

like with the condenser idea...

whats the fridge compressor for?
The bolt down inspection hatch is off so it shouldnt be stagnant or is it?
The fridge compressor is to pump air into the bottom through a sparge pipe to speed up dewatering then i will add a condenser so that i know the oil is dewatered

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Re: Processor pressure switch
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2012, 10:05:01 PM »
A pin in the post would be ideal,i do have some minute drill bits as well which may be worth me trying,i bought them to make my Babbington nozzle
I will have a look what valves ive got,im sure there must be something suitable knocking about.
The only thing i may have to purchase is a small compressor,i was thinking along the lines of an air brush one but i doubt they are rated for continuous use,i run the Babbington off of a 12V car inflater but they have a tendency to melt after about 15 minutes
Ive found this so far
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Small-compressor-Model-maker-air-brush-/170846059877?pt=UK_Air_Tools_and_Compressors&hash=item27c737fd65#ht_500wt_1202
I would be tempted to buy it anyway,it looks neat!

looks kool

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vintage-compressor-museum-show-piece-/170846056241?pt=UK_Air_Tools_and_Compressors&hash=item27c737ef31
Ha same guy :)

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Re: Processor pressure switch
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2012, 04:58:40 PM »
Nice looking compressor, I'll keep an eye out for any more he lists.