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2500l allowance not just for biofuels?
« on: July 22, 2015, 08:15:32 AM »
I was perusing the HMRC rules (again, as you do) and noticed this in section 4.2.1:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/excise-notice-179e-biofuels-and-other-fuel-substitutes/excise-notice-179e-biofuels-and-other-fuel-substitutes

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4.2.1 Exempt producers/users
If you have produced or used less than 2,500 litres of either:

any biofuel
any other fuel substitute or additive

within the last 12 months, and/or expect to produce or use less than 2,500 litres in the next 12 months, you are an exempt producer and do not need to register with us and account for duty. However, there are simple record keeping requirements, which are described in paragraph 4.9.1.

That bold bit I've highlighted above - it defines other fuel substitutes as:

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Any liquid that is not hydrocarbon oil, biodiesel, bioblend, bioethanol or bioethanol blend but is used in place of mineral oil to fuel any engine, motor or other machinery is classed as a fuel substitute.

I wonder what that covers?
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Re: 2500l allowance not just for biofuels?
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2015, 04:30:31 PM »
Probably alcohol fuels. I found this.

 Methanol fuel has been proposed as a future biofuel, often as an alternative to the hydrogen economy. Methanol has a long history as a racing fuel. Early Grand Prix Racing used blended mixtures as well as pure methanol. The use of the fuel was primarily used in North America after the war. [clarification needed] However, methanol for racing purposes has largely been based on methanol produced from syngas derived from natural gas and therefore this methanol would not be considered a biofuel. Methanol is a possible biofuel, however when the syngas is derived from biomass. In theory, methanol can also be produced from carbon dioxide and hydrogen using nuclear power or any renewable energy source, although this is not likely to be economically viable on an industrial scale (see methanol economy). Compared to bioethanol, the primary advantage of methanol biofuel is its much greater well-to-wheel efficiency. This is particularly relevant in temperate climates where fertilizers are needed to grow sugar or starch crops to make ethanol, whereas methanol can be produced from lignocellulose (woody) biomass.

 Looks like what it was produced from makes it a biofuel or not. Now all we need to build is a portable nuclear reactor. Looks like a project for the 2016 BBB.

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Re: 2500l allowance not just for biofuels?
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2015, 06:47:59 PM »
the main  problem with methanol is the fact that it burns with an invisible flame.  the main problem with a nuclear reactor is  they are difficult to turn off, so you would to have a large tea pot to use all the spare heat. this could prove costly in tea, plus you would have a large pile of used tea bags as well as spent fuel rod to dispose of.  you could of course use the used tea bags to produce some of the methanol. not sure how much you could make though. i am sure the ligmun % of tea is on the web somwhere.

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Re: 2500l allowance not just for biofuels?
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2015, 07:20:04 PM »
Using the used tea bags would be in keeping with the Ethos of bio diesel as it would be bio methanol. Now to use up some of the excess energy from the portable reactor all we need is a Delorean and a flux capacitor. Or falling that an old mot failure with a tank full of newly made bio methanol and someone to light the fuse. Both have the same end effect in a flash of burning tyre tracks a spinning hub cap and no more car, or fuse igniter.

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Re: 2500l allowance not just for biofuels?
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2015, 08:28:51 PM »
Someone to light the fuse.
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Re: 2500l allowance not just for biofuels?
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2015, 08:38:02 PM »
Someone to light the fuse.
kamaangir.

My thoughts exactly.
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Re: 2500l allowance not just for biofuels?
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2015, 08:45:07 PM »
Challenge accepted! All we need is womble to drive the said shitbanger!
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Re: 2500l allowance not just for biofuels?
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2015, 09:09:08 PM »
Challenge accepted! All we need is womble to drive the said shitbanger!

You build it I'll drive it.




Note to self : No, No, No you silly fool, never say you'll drive anything that Arrash has built.




If the rest of you build it I'll drive it.




Strangely I still don't feel confident with this statement either.




Count me out, I'll not be driving anything faster than a snail smoking dope, I'll stick to my Disco then.
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Re: 2500l allowance not just for biofuels?
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2015, 09:15:41 PM »
I'll not be driving anything faster than a snail smoking dope, I'll stick to my Disco then.

Mark is your disco as slow at that.


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Re: 2500l allowance not just for biofuels?
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2015, 09:29:39 PM »
Challenge accepted! All we need is womble to drive the said shitbanger!

You build it I'll drive it.

Note to self : No, No, No you silly fool, never say you'll drive anything that Arrash has built.

If the rest of you build it I'll drive it.

Strangely I still don't feel confident with this statement either.

Count me out, I'll not be driving anything faster than a snail smoking dope, I'll stick to my Disco then.

Your far safer taking the Arash option ... it's got to work before you can drive it!
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Re: 2500l allowance not just for biofuels?
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2015, 09:46:19 PM »
Challenge accepted! All we need is womble to drive the said shitbanger!

You build it I'll drive it.

Note to self : No, No, No you silly fool, never say you'll drive anything that Arrash has built.

If the rest of you build it I'll drive it.

Strangely I still don't feel confident with this statement either.

Count me out, I'll not be driving anything faster than a snail smoking dope, I'll stick to my Disco then.

Your far safer taking the Arash option ... it's got to work before you can drive it!

You make a very good point there.
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Re: 2500l allowance not just for biofuels?
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2015, 09:47:47 PM »
I'll not be driving anything faster than a snail smoking dope, I'll stick to my Disco then.

Mark is your disco as slow at that.

No.  I overtook the snail yesterday, but it's taken three weeks to do it.
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Re: 2500l allowance not just for biofuels?
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2015, 10:44:02 PM »
Ah well, look on the bright side, at least the neutron bombardment will keep him warm.  It's kinda like a cabin heater.  Wombles make great neutron moderators, so long as you keep the reactor away from criticality, as they perform less well when they form steam voids while boiling.

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Re: 2500l allowance not just for biofuels?
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2015, 10:46:23 PM »
Note to self : No, No, No you silly fool, never say you'll drive anything that Arrash has built.

Don't worry, with Arash's stick welding at least you'll have built in burst panels when, ahem, IF the reactor ever has a prompt criticality excursion!