Register the waste exemption T19?

[julianf]

I have been asked to register the waste exemption  T19 - Physical and chemical treatment of waste edible oil and fat to produce bio diesel.

Now i have no issue with doing this, but i wanted to check - it was implied to me that this was a requirement, however, ive not seen talk of it here before, which confuses me.

The exemption is free to register, and can be done by email.  Again, i have no issue doing this, and will probably do so regardless (as it was asked of me) but id just like to quiz the panel as to the degree of requirement?

Thank you,
Julian

[Tony]

There's no harm applying aside from being on the radar.  Notionally the EA are supposed to inspect your premises but they told me they are so busy they never do so it's just a paperwork exercise.

[K.H]

I wouldn't apply unless i have to, don't like radars

[julianf]

The Environment Agency chap is the person who asked me to register.  So i have had the inspection anyhow.

But my concern is that if i get 'in' the system further, it will just create more and more complications / paperwork etc.

As i have been asked to register, im sure i will do so, however, i would like to know if it is actually a legal requirement or not?

[nigelb]

The Environment Agency chap is the person who asked me to register.  So i have had the inspection anyhow.

But my concern is that if i get 'in' the system further, it will just create more and more complications / paperwork etc.

As i have been asked to register, im sure i will do so, however, i would like to know if it is actually a legal requirement or not?

It strikes me Julian that you should be asking the question to the EA.

[Keef]

Slightly off topic but what did all your new friends say were your bunding requirements that you were enquiring about recently?

[julianf]

Slightly off topic but what did all your new friends say were your bunding requirements that you were enquiring about recently?

All 'waste' requires bunding.

Strangely, the reactor itself (which we all know is the most likely point of failure) does not have to be bunded, but, the moment you set down a 20ltr can of used oil, it should be within a bund.

The finished product is no longer waste, so then falls under different requirements.

The inspector was, i think, happy to see that i was working toward full bunding, prior to his visit.

[Keef]

How bizarre that the waste producer isn't required to bund.

Several of my suppliers have had satisfactory inspections and none of them have bunds.

[julianf]

My comment was in the context of the biofuel side of things - im sure the producer of the waste is covered by a different bit of paper, which says a different set of things!

Its all madness though - i have an IBC.  If its storage, it requires bunding, but if its part of the processor, it does not.  If its physical treatment (in my case, settlement) then i can fill it to the brim, but, if i were to any chemistry in it, it would be limited to 250ltr fills.


The chap who came round was very pleasant about everything.  It was part of my ongoing neighbour saga, and, it seemed to me that, when he realised i was just some chap in his garage, he almost wondered what he was doing here! 

[1958steveflying]

 but, if i were to any chemistry in it, it would be limited to 250ltr fills.

 

So without reading the T19 document do I take it that reaction processes are limited to 250ltr batches from what you have said ?

[Julian]

I thought the batch limit was rescinded a while back.

[1958steveflying]

Just read the document, Dated April 2012

What are the key limits?

You can chemically treat up to 250 litres at any one time.

Just another can of worms ! ! !

[julianf]

I posted this on VOD, but the silence was...

This link -

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/business/topics/permitting/116252.aspx

leading to this link -

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/business/topics/permitting/115492.aspx

...would imply that everyone here [who brews bio non-commercially] should be registered for exemption.  I quote -

If you want to operate under a waste exemption you must register that exemption with us. If you don’t, you will not be exempt from needing a permit.

That seems fairly clear cut - either you have a permit, or you register the exemption.

I will now register the exemption, but it would surprise me greatly if many others did likewise!

[Manfred]

Thanks Julianf I now understand section C of the WTN. Looks like we all need to register  either for the permit or exemption.

[Julian]

I posted this on VOD, but the silence was...

This link -

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/business/topics/permitting/116252.aspx

leading to this link -

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/business/topics/permitting/115492.aspx

...would imply that everyone here [who brews bio non-commercially] should be registered for exemption.  I quote -

If you want to operate under a waste exemption you must register that exemption with us. If you don’t, you will not be exempt from needing a permit.

That seems fairly clear cut - either you have a permit, or you register the exemption.

I will now register the exemption, but it would surprise me greatly if many others did likewise!

Interesting, let us know how you get on.  I'll need to alter my WTN if this is the case.