Feckity feck, I was hoping to leave saturday morning and get there for the afternoon stay overnight and then leave sun morning, but sod's law I've got something I have been wanting a mate to do for me with his digger for ages and now it's come up for sat and will keep me busy til late afternoon, so I won't be able to make it, would be too much to drive the best part of 300 miles or 5-6 hours after a hard day, bollocks!