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Offline therecklessengineer

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Supermarket fuel
« on: March 12, 2013, 03:11:32 PM »
The general view of the public is that supermarket fuel is sometimes a bit dodgy.

Reasons given seem to rely on statements like "poorer quality" and "fewer additives" - which sound very suspect to me. After all, there are standards for both petrol and diesel that supermarkets (along with everyone else) must comply with. In addition, as far as I'm aware, there are no additives in modern fuel.

I deal with buying fuel in bulk sometimes (the last lot was 500 tonnes of the stuff). The grade required is specified - and that is what's delivered. Samples are taken to ensure that it is of the correct grade, not contaminated with water or particulates - but there are never any additives in it, and I have on occasion taken white road diesel rather than the heavier stuff normally used.

Does anyone have any cast iron evidence of supermarket fuel being different from any other?

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Re: Supermarket fuel
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2013, 03:17:01 PM »
I don't know for sure, but I'd strongly suspect diesel gets some sort of winter additive to guard against waxing.
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Re: Supermarket fuel
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2013, 03:41:17 PM »
As I understood it, winter diesel is a blend of hydrocarbons - some of which are sufficiently short to prevent waxing in the remainder. However, I can't remember where this nugget of information came from.

If there was an 'additive' that was left out of supermarket fuel then surely it'd wax in the winter?

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Re: Supermarket fuel
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2013, 04:00:53 PM »
It appears I'm wrong on the additive front:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_diesel_fuel

Apparently, adding additives is cheaper than blending.

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Re: Supermarket fuel
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2013, 04:02:10 PM »
 No doubt the exact information is kept under tabs. I can only speak from past information given to me when I ran an MOT testing station and garage repair business. This came from the likes of Forte rep's Comma oils rep's Bosch rep's Lucas rep's and others in the trade. The consensus was that supermarket fuels was of a lower grade due to less protective additives used especially in Derv when it was going low sulphur and city diesel etc. Injection pumps etc were dying at an alarming rate and obviously manufacturers like Bosch and Lucas were carrying out tests and surveys as to what fuel was being used in these low mileage problems. Cheaper fuels and fuel quality came out on top. I have been out of it for just over 10 years now but have just made a phone call to a mate in parts sales, and not surprisingly supermarket fuel still comes out being attributed for early fuel system component failure. General advise given is if you must use it put a decent brand in every 4th or 5th tank.

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Re: Supermarket fuel
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2013, 04:32:47 PM »
What was that thing about 5 years back with a specific batch that was being sold at one of the supermarkets, and killing some cars... Ill see if i can find anything on google...

I dont think this is the one, but its similar -

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News/Drivers-caught-out-by-bad-fuel-finally-paid-back-by-Tesco.htm

Hmm, no, this was the one i was thinking of -

http://www.petrolprices.com/blog/tesco-apologises-for-contaminated-fuel.html

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Re: Supermarket fuel
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2013, 05:01:53 PM »
Having watch news items about fuel prices/blockades etc,etc. I've always noticed that just about every fuel tanker  be it Sainsbury's, Tesco, Jet, BP, Shell, you name it ALL fill up at the same bulk storage depot.

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Re: Supermarket fuel
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2013, 05:12:52 PM »
No cast iron evidence of it, but I've heard plenty of circumstantial. I'm fairly involved in the trade, I trained as a mechanic, and do a bit of spannering myself, along with popping vehicles for MOTs, and collecting parts for other mechanics.

The sales rep at the local Ford garage tells me they often have complaints about the super high efficiency cars not getting anywhere near the MPG they claim. The Fiesta e seems to be a favourite culprit. He tells then to try filling up at one of the private fuel stations, rather than the super market station. Reckons its the last he hears of them.

I know the owner of a garage well. He tells me he gives the same advice in some cases of bad running or poor MPG. He says it is a common problem with the more sensitive cars.

I wouldn't put supermarket petrol in my bike, the differing power characteristics were very noticeable.

All in all, I don't know is it to do with additives, or the quality of the fuel, or what it is, but I dont doubt there is a difference.

I've also heard from a few people who travel abroad in their campers that some of the foreign diesel returns much better MPG, and better power.

Basically, the way I see it, fuel companys make tiny amounts from supplying road fuel, and with the hassle, legislation and tax regime in this country, they are going to supply the best stuff else where, and we end up with the dregs.
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Re: Supermarket fuel
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2013, 05:28:23 PM »
Having watch news items about fuel prices/blockades etc,etc. I've always noticed that just about every fuel tanker  be it Sainsbury's, Tesco, Jet, BP, Shell, you name it ALL fill up at the same bulk storage depot.

Your not wrong Jim, and I believe that is where the fuels are finalised for delivery to whoever. Had an ex army mate who went on to being a fuel tanker driver for Texaco and told of the hassle he had when half way to a delivery he was called back because he had been filled up with Tesco fuel and his tanker was not completely empty before it was filled !