2012 Mercedes e250

[Steve1978]

Hi folks,

I have just bought my first ever diesel car. Very happy with it but I am looking at reducing my bills even further! I use about 25 ltr diesel a week, not a huge amount but enough. Always looking at reducing costs so naturally I am looking at biodiesel.

I suppose the two questions I have are quite simple: I drive a 2012/13 e250 (w212 2.2 ltr twin turbo)

1) can I use bio, if so do I need any modifications?
2) does anyone know any reliable distributors in the Liverpool/Wirral area?

Thanks.

[jgs600]

wow 2012 mercedes, if i could afford a motor that expensive i wouldnt worry about fuel costs....lol

best i can do is a 15 year old mercedes c250..!!!

good luck running that beast on bio though

[Glycer-rides]

Hello again, chap.
Can you spot me arguing with 'the bloke in the pub' about common rails?
http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/engine/148033-biodiesel.html

You have a hard task ahead trying to find a consistently, legal and reliable supplier of bio for your brand new motor.
Technically, the main issue you may face is poor DPF regeneration - some get the system written out of the ECU.

If it's full tax paid bio, it will be not much cheaper than dino...and you can forget extended drain periods re. the engine oil as well.
All in all in your situation, I'd forget it

HTH.

[jgs600]

if theres an issue with the dpf then do as i have done on my other partners 2007 suzuki grand vitara.

just had the dpf taken off, zipped open and gutted then carefully welded back up, then had the ecu dpf crap deleted and at the same time had a slight ecu remap.

car no will never have any dpf issues, runs great on bio and goes like stink and still returns 35mpg.... perfect...

 

[1958steveflying]

Hi folks,

I have just bought my first ever diesel car. Very happy with it but I am looking at reducing my bills even further! I use about 25 ltr diesel a week, not a huge amount but enough. Always looking at reducing costs so naturally I am looking at biodiesel.

I suppose the two questions I have are quite simple: I drive a 2012/13 e250 (w212 2.2 ltr twin turbo)

1) can I use bio, if so do I need any modifications?
2) does anyone know any reliable distributors in the Liverpool/Wirral area?

Thanks.

I would be choosy about where I bought Derv for that motor ! And would not even consider putting Bio in it TBH.

[Steve1978]

Lol, ok I think I get the message... Haha. I get my diesel from tesco or asda, I suppose I'm just being a tight git! You would think that after someone gets a 41k motor 70 quid a month wouldn't be an issue.... bUT. Merc did me a fantastic deal so I'm actually paying ford focus payments for the e class, no complaints..

Normal diesel for me then... Maybe the next car 

[Tony]

I suspect the key with that car will be finding good quality biodiesel.  The trouble is, biodiesel can look golden and lovely but that can belie a multitude of sins (soap held in suspension with Methanol, incomplete conversion etc).

I used to buy commercial bio for my car, which is somewhat more agricultural - but the stuff from outlets near me turned out to be rather poor quality, which is why I turned to making my own (responsible for your own quality then).

Given the value of the vehicle and the potential expense involved in correcting any issues, I imagine it would be hard to come out in the black overall.

But, enjoy the Merc.  I'm not envious at all.  No

[Head Womble]

If you're putting pump diesel in then stay away from the supermarket forcourts, not only is it a low grade of fuel but pence per mile you're bettor off with the likes of Shell, BP or Esso.

Good it's not often we advise someone to use a tax station, it hurts.

[Tony]

Good it's not often we advise someone to use a tax station, it hurts.

Who are you and what have you done with Mark? 

[Steve1978]

Believe it or not be / esso /shell garages are getting fewer and fewer, driven out of business by the super markets, very few petrol stations around these days!

[Rotary-Motion]

dont all the fuels come from the same place originally?

[1958steveflying]

dont all the fuels come from the same place originally?

Yes they sort of do but it is the level of additives that the supermarkets skimp on.

[terryecosse]

Two esso garages have closed down near me, Edinburgh.

[nathanrobo]

I'd only be tempted running bio if:

1. You understood how to prove the quality (rather than just rely on the seller's say so)
2. The price made it worthwhile - and there's the rub!

Bio that's made from a trusted source commercially, will be a source that is completely above board and pays all of the duty. Any commercial supplier paying the duty will struggle to make a profit and compete with Derv.  Even if he were a few pence cheaper, would you take the risk?

That being said there are plenty of people running common rails / DPF's etc without any problems.  Be interested to know what Steve's thoughts are ref comments about good Derv forget bio.  He's years of experience in the motor industry, so maybe the Mercs are particularly sensitive or maybe they are using some kind of optical sensor to pick up the fuel's colour etc??

[high compression ii]

Seem to remember summit about M.B. NOT using DPF's for some reason or other on any of the cars they build for the UK....

Also, they wont use the new refrigerant in their new cars either--summit to do with explosions and safety, I dunno why, the new refrigerant is Propane, Cant think why they wouldnt use it!

Could try Fuller Fuels in Widness if thats anywhere near you.

Although as others have said, If you can afford a new M.B. and only using 25L per week,--then you can afford to Run the thing--Money should be little object!