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Title: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Rotary-Motion on December 11, 2010, 10:02:54 PM
as above

stay tuned.... ::)
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: K.H on December 11, 2010, 10:09:19 PM
Nice pic  ;D
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Rotary-Motion on December 11, 2010, 10:10:38 PM
done

http://www.biopowered.co.uk/wiki/Heat_exchangers_and_solenoid_valves
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Rotary-Motion on December 11, 2010, 10:21:34 PM
heated filter upped now
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Julian on December 11, 2010, 11:00:33 PM
I done a graphic too, took most of the evening! http://www.biopowered.co.uk/wiki/GL_Processor
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Rotary-Motion on December 11, 2010, 11:02:42 PM
I done a graphic too, took most of the evening! http://www.biopowered.co.uk/wiki/GL_Processor

check my link again! alot more pics

still upping will check your link shortly...

well done chap :)
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Rotary-Motion on December 11, 2010, 11:12:16 PM
I done a graphic too, took most of the evening! http://www.biopowered.co.uk/wiki/GL_Processor

friggin awesome!!!

the oil in? where from?

love this diagram.

what app drew that?
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Rotary-Motion on December 11, 2010, 11:16:07 PM
disstillate part where does it come from? can only see a vent pipe?
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Julian on December 11, 2010, 11:22:03 PM
It's done in CorelDRAW which is vector software not a bitmap.  You have a lot more flexibility with vector drawings, but have to export them as a bitmap when finished.

The vapour circuit is from the connection on the top of the tank, through the condenser,back up and right to the venturi, which creates the suction/circulation for the circuit.  The distillate (Water or Methanol, depending on the process) drops out in the condenser and runs into the distillate collection vessel.  As the flow of distillate is very small it doesn't need a separate vent because it vents up the same tube.
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Julian on December 11, 2010, 11:23:47 PM
Sorry, missed this bit ... Oil in from settling tank.
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Rotary-Motion on December 11, 2010, 11:24:20 PM
do you need a valve straight after venturi? to stop flow and make go to other 2 valves direction?
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Rotary-Motion on December 11, 2010, 11:28:19 PM
wont liquid going up vent pipe from distilate get half way up vent pipe and go down to glycerol container?
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Julian on December 11, 2010, 11:30:42 PM
By it's design, oil won't go up the venturi suction unless the open pipe in the tank is blocked off. See http://www.biopowered.co.uk/wiki/Casting_a_venturi  or better still the venturi page when it's done!

The world of Bio is much more interesting that the veg world ... go on admit it!
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Rotary-Motion on December 11, 2010, 11:36:09 PM
By it's design, oil won't go up the venturi suction unless the open pipe in the tank is blocked off. See http://www.biopowered.co.uk/wiki/Casting_a_venturi  or better still the venturi page when it's done!

The world of Bio is much more interesting that the veg world ... go on admit it!

impressive, but very confusing, truth for me is im lost.... with process.

build is baffling me aswell and routes for each part of process...
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Rotary-Motion on December 11, 2010, 11:40:07 PM
also i didnt mean venturi

im talking vent pipes only...

distilate you say goes up vent pipe, the vent pipe which is teed to the glycerol vent pipe in glycerol container, what stops (whatever goes up vent pipe from distialte = no idea) going down glycerol pipe vent into glycerol container????
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Julian on December 11, 2010, 11:48:45 PM
There shouldn't be any liquid in the vapour circuit at the Tee off for the glycerol vent, it should have all come out in the condenser. Anyhow  there's no flow through the glycerol container because its sealed and the drain valve is closed.  The flow will only go to the venturi.  Even if it were open it still won't take that route due to the circulating effect of the venturi see this diagram by GL

(http://www.graham-laming.com/bd/suck_or_blow.gif)
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Rotary-Motion on December 12, 2010, 12:05:38 AM
very interesting drawing!

what temp is the oil/process at to give off vapour to go to condensor?

is it methoxide going in distillate?
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Julian on December 12, 2010, 12:18:37 AM
You can remove water from the oil, usually between 60 and 90°C and once converted remove the methanol from the bio or bio and glycerol if WBD between 40 and 75°C.  Temps can vary depending on how much you want to get out.

The best basic knowledge can be had from GLs website at http://www.graham-laming.com/bd/ecosystem/state_diagram_new.htm  This is where I copied the diagram from, he explains the process far better than I can.
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Rotary-Motion on December 12, 2010, 09:34:58 AM
what is WBD ?
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Julian on December 12, 2010, 10:13:49 AM
http://www.biopowered.co.uk/wiki/Acronyms

and

http://www.biopowered.co.uk/wiki/Whole_Batch_Demeth
Title: Re: upping new pic for twin tank pipes/layout
Post by: Rotary-Motion on December 12, 2010, 10:14:40 AM
thanks hehehe

i already tryed our system... it works...  ;D