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General => Chatter => Topic started by: Head Womble on December 21, 2017, 08:16:51 PM
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Hi All.
I've got a APC SMT3000RM2U Smart UPS (new and unused), I'd like to know if this would be a suitable power supply for what I have in mind.
Me and Ben are planing to build a BBQ for spit roasting a suckling pig at next years BBB (got to out do this years Womble oven roast chicken, and feed everyone this time), and I'm hoping this ups will provide enough power for long enough.
As we haven't started the build yet so motor options are open.
So throw some ideas out guys.
Also posted on VOD.
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That part no is 120V - or is it SMT3000RMI2U - the 220-240V version?
According tothe runtime chart here:
http://www.acs-services.de/media/products/0200975001415977173.pdf
It'll do 500W for 40 minutes, so depending on your motor power consumption you can roughly work out how long she'll run for.
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Or you could use a stepper motor, 3d printer control board and run it from 12V, use G-code to control the rotation?
Might be slightly overengineering it then though...
I always enjoy seeing what you've come up with at the BBBs, sounds like this one will be no exception.
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I've checked again and it is a SMT3000RMI2U my eyes are not good with small writing any more.
Now I expect to need 3 or 4 hours run time from the motor, so that's going to be a challenge.
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Or you could use a stepper motor, 3d printer control board and run it from 12V, use G-code to control the rotation?
Might be slightly overengineering it then though...
I always enjoy seeing what you've come up with at the BBBs, sounds like this one will be no exception.
The first bit I don't understand, way to tecky for me.
It's amazing what you can build when you don't spend hours making fuel, but I do miss it, generally when I'm in the tax station.
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I would look into spit roasting a pig in detail, Mark. Something to do with adding plenty of salt otherwise the meat is virtually tasteless. Next door neighbour fell into that trap 18 months ago, meat had no taste at all.
In any case I only expect the finest tasting food from Ben and Yourself.
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I would look into spit roasting a pig in detail, Mark. Something to do with adding plenty of salt otherwise the meat is virtually tasteless. Next door neighbour fell into that trap 18 months ago, meat had no taste at all.
In any case I only expect the finest tasting food from Ben and Yourself.
I've been reading up on preparing the pig, and yes, salt and plenty of it, plus garlic, thyme, rosemary etc
Tash said she can get the pig as long as we give enough notice, I'm thinking of getting everyone to chip in to pay for it.
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Sounds Brill!
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That does sound good!
How about staying 12V though, find an old wheelchair motor/windscreen wiper motor? Need a fair bit of torque I would have thought. Could gear something down with bicycle gears?
Advantage of 12V is could keep it topped up with solar?
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Andy on the other channel posted this interesting link.
https://www.electro-tech-online.com/thre...ie.114681/
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Somewhere I have a very low geared motor from a valve actuator. It's been years since I last saw it, but I'll try and locate it and see what voltage and speed it is.
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OK, found it.
It's 110v, 50Hz, 2A, 200LB.in Speed is quoted as 1.8 MPR which I assume is minutes per rev.
So it could be run from a site transformer but it might be a bit slow.
Googling, 2-3 rpm seems to be the recommended speed, so if I've done my sums right, you'd need to gear it up by 66:1 which is quite a jump.
Yours if you want it as is the offer to turn/mill any bearings, couplings etc ... (might need raw material if I don't have suitable bits here and, before you ask, the offer does not include making a 66:1 gearbox)
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I've had a Baldric moment.
How about mounting a push bike wheel and tyre onto the rotisserie shaft and have a small 12v motor turning the wheel.
I can get loads of push bike wheels of different sizes and a disc mounted on the motor covered in a low grit sand paper should give enough grip on the tyre.
I've got an old 12v battery drill that I don't use, I'm sure that will have enough grunt, it'll also provide a speed controller, the batteries from the UPS may give enough life.
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The more heath-robinson it is, the better the meat will taste.
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i think a big fire and a hamster wheel with a dog or 2 to turn it. or a small child, trouble with a small child is we may have to feed it. alternatively weights seem to be the easiest. with a suitable gearbox. there are going to be people around all the time to reset the weights. could even have a alarm when the weights get to the bottom of their travel. a small explosion maybe to be in keeping with the spirit of the occasion. there will be plenty of oil to make weights from.
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i think a big fire and a hamster wheel with a dog or 2 to turn it. or a small child, trouble with a small child is we may have to feed it. alternatively weights seem to be the easiest. with a suitable gearbox. there are going to be people around all the time to reset the weights. could even have a alarm when the weights get to the bottom of their travel. a small explosion maybe to be in keeping with the spirit of the occasion. there will be plenty of oil to make weights from.
I like the idea, but can't for the life of me work out how to do it with weights.
How would you regulate the speed ?
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i think a big fire and a hamster wheel with a dog or 2 to turn it. or a small child, trouble with a small child is we may have to feed it. alternatively weights seem to be the easiest. with a suitable gearbox. there are going to be people around all the time to reset the weights. could even have a alarm when the weights get to the bottom of their travel. a small explosion maybe to be in keeping with the spirit of the occasion. there will be plenty of oil to make weights from.
No need for a hamster when a fit young Wombul is available to turn it.
Food is not required ether just the threat of the air cannon if he slows down.
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As to the cost of the pig put me down for a fiver if you lay of the garlic.
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i think a big fire and a hamster wheel with a dog or 2 to turn it. or a small child, trouble with a small child is we may have to feed it. alternatively weights seem to be the easiest. with a suitable gearbox. there are going to be people around all the time to reset the weights. could even have a alarm when the weights get to the bottom of their travel. a small explosion maybe to be in keeping with the spirit of the occasion. there will be plenty of oil to make weights from.
I like the idea, but can't for the life of me work out how to do it with weights.
How would you regulate the speed ?
have a look at clock mechanisms. air paddles are one way. i am sure they have a proper name,but basically they spin and the air creates some resistance. they had rotisseries in the 15th century so i am sure we can make something that will work.
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here you go mark. this is the sort of thing i was thinking of.
http://www.nyemachine.com/clockwork_jack.php
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How about this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It-7iEIf9fg
Should be able to knock one up.
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I really like the idea of some sort of mechanism, a wheel, a weight and a tensioner, or a pushbike rigged to an alternator to charge a battery to run the motor, so people have to peddle for some pig.
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I really like the idea of some sort of mechanism, a wheel, a weight and a tensioner, or a pushbike rigged to an alternator to charge a battery to run the motor, so people have to peddle for some pig.
Glad you're happy with the plan.
How many people do we normally feed on Saturday evening Chug ? I'm thinking we could always chuck a chicken on as well, or even a joint of beef.
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I usually make enough chilli to feed approx 30 peeps.