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General => Chatter => Topic started by: Tony on December 11, 2015, 09:05:41 PM

Title: Passat pass
Post by: Tony on December 11, 2015, 09:05:41 PM
I'm surprised it passed the MOT, it has a crack developing on the windscreen so I wanted it tested before forking out for the windscreen excess to see if anything else needed doing.

Advisories are on tyres, offside front wheel bearing and slight deterioration in brake lines.

The windscreen crack is in the wiper swept area but apparently because it doesn't obscure the view of the road this is OK.

He did say that it stank like a chip shop but was surprisingly low on the emissions test ;)
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: greasemonkey on December 11, 2015, 10:06:35 PM
Tidy, always nice when it goes through pretty simple.

I've never quite fathomed out the exact rules with cracks in windscreens. I thought it was pretty clear cut, but it seems that there is a bit of tester discretion allowed.

If he's going to pass it this time, you may as well leave it as it is till next MOT.

Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: oakwoodtv on December 11, 2015, 10:46:16 PM
Number two sun took the seres 2a land rover for an MOT last week it was smoking and stinking the garage out
the examiner remarked it would not pass an emissions test

Because of its age its a visual test only but my lad asked him to put it on the emissions tester the chap was amassed
that it passed its marvelous what B100 can do.
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: Julian on December 11, 2015, 11:05:31 PM
Good news, well done.

When you get a pass, it eases the pain of spending 50 Quid!
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: Jamesrl on December 12, 2015, 12:01:00 AM
Good news, well done.

When you get a pass, it eases the pain of spending 50 Quid!

50 QUID! WHAT? They're only 35 round this neck of the woods.
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: Julian on December 12, 2015, 12:17:51 AM
That's on motor cars.

The horse drawn vehicles and hand carts prevalent in you part of the world are probably cheaper.
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: Jamesrl on December 12, 2015, 03:35:08 PM


The horse drawn vehicles and hand carts prevalent in you part of the world are probably cheaper.

Ye' maybe but we get fertiliser and a decent cooking fuel, once dried, for free.
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: 1958steveflying on December 12, 2015, 03:59:11 PM
How big is the crack in the screen ?
    In the A zone it has to be contained within a 10mm circle or the rest of the swept area contained within a 40mm circle.
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: Tony on December 13, 2015, 01:40:12 PM
It's getting longer - it's starts from the bottom offside slightly inboard from the corner and cuts up and across.  The tip of it extends 10mm into the bottom of the swept area, but I'm sure it'll carry on.

I suspect windscreen excess will need to be paid on this eventually.

The other odd thing this car does is groan/clunk from the offside when braking into left hand bends, but the MOT test didn't show anything other than the bearing on that side has slight play.  I was rather hoping they would find something for me to change to make that go away!
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: RichardP on December 13, 2015, 06:15:21 PM
The other odd thing this car does is groan/clunk from the offside when braking into left hand bends, but the MOT test didn't show anything other than the bearing on that side has slight play.  I was rather hoping they would find something for me to change to make that go away!

Change the wheel bearing, going into a left hander will load up the offside bearing so if it's on its way out it will let you know.
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: greasemonkey on December 13, 2015, 07:16:14 PM
Aye, the wheel bearing. Are they roller tapers on passats? I didn't think they were, but could be wrong. I'm surprised it got passed with any play in it at all.
It could howl it's guts out with no play at all any how, so it doesn't make much difference.
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: Tony on December 13, 2015, 07:38:07 PM
I'd be delighted if it was the bearing (no idea if roller or not).  I've had cars make some decided unexpected noises in the past with upper ball joints, things you wouldn't expect; even had a mate leaning out of the window when driving to identify the noise without working out what it was.  So if it's the bearing then good times.  I keep reading horror stories some have posted about how the rack can work its way loose so I'm hoping nothing like that ;)

Also had a random few minutes of going into limp mode yesterday (cleared by stopping and starting the engine, and it's not done it since), so I've ordered an EOBD reader to see what's what.
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: 1958steveflying on December 14, 2015, 09:37:08 AM
Aye, the wheel bearing. Are they roller tapers on passats? I didn't think they were, but could be wrong. I'm surprised it got passed with any play in it at all.
It could howl it's guts out with no play at all any how, so it doesn't make much difference.

It will be a one piece bearing with roller bearing in each end.
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: RichardP on December 14, 2015, 08:07:21 PM
This is the kit http://www.eurocarparts.com/search/628440720/p/home

Don't know what that make is like though.
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: 1958steveflying on December 16, 2015, 03:47:32 PM
This is the kit http://www.eurocarparts.com/search/628440720/p/home

Don't know what that make is like though.

FAG is a good brand and as you can see comes with all the bolts needed to do the job properly.
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: Tony on December 28, 2015, 05:42:51 PM
A local garage did the bearing for us for £75 on Christmas Eve right before needing the car for a long journey.  Very glad I didn't do it myself, as their supplier delivered the bearing as per reg number, and it didn't fit.  Then they said they were closing at 1pm and would rush out the right one.  Second bearing also didn't fit and supplier closed for Xmas.  Chap from the garage went on a tour of Southampton bearing suppliers with the hub parts to find one that did fit, and finally found one.  Apparently some Passats have a heavier duty bearing at the front, and this one has that bearing, though none of the parts suppliers expected it.

They spent a day on it in total and still only charged us £75 so we gave them a generous tip.

The funny groaning noises on braking into left hand turns have disappeared so it was definitely the bearing, though not noises I would normally expect from one failing (sounded more like creaking bushes to me)!

I'll be using that garage again, nice to find a local, honest one that works hard for the customer.
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: Julian on December 28, 2015, 08:04:24 PM
Result, well done. That garage is one in a million!

I've finally sorted the problems on our Golf ... no more spurious alarms, the windows have stopped working of their own accord and now do as they are told, the interior lights operate on cue and the magic of remote locking is still a novelty, oh joy!

Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: Tony on December 28, 2015, 10:03:58 PM
Oh well done, what was it?

Our interior lights stopped working when the door opens, the CCM is fine so a break in the wire somewhere, probably from the loom being stepped on multiple times when it was out from the water leak, loose in the footwell.
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: Julian on December 28, 2015, 10:26:40 PM
It was exactly that, the CCM.

No water on or near it, very close inspection showed no dry joints or hot components, but as soon as I changed it for a 25 quid secondhand unit everything jumped into line and worked.

I'd previously changed a whole host of things ... door locks, rear wiper motor, rear boot lock, checked a fair bit of wiring and a load of stuff I've forgotten, but the CCM solved the problem.

Given how difficult some of the wiring is to get at, if you can find a CCM with a matching part number at the right price, I'd try changing that first.  On the Golf you have to code in the number of doors and electric windows, but Passats are probably all four door anyway and most likely all with electric windows.

Coding is quite easy with VCDS I've got a full version if you need to do it.

Thinking about it VCDS will test the interior lights along with loads of other stuff ... all the instruments, the display, buzzer, ABS, I think fuel pump and loads more items I've not yet played with.  If you've not got a copy and want to pop up for a play you're very welcome ... you'll probably understand it all way better than I do!
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: Chug on December 29, 2015, 10:10:12 AM
Good to hear of proper garage service Tony,

the last wheel bearing I did on a daughter in laws saxo had a similar story, started early in the morning as she needed her car early next morning, fitted the bearing to the hub ok but the drive shaft was too big for the centre hole, the parts shop said bring it back undamaged and we will replace with the correct one, but when removing it was slightly damaged, when I got to the parts place they said they wouldn't replace as it was damaged.
I gave them a few choice words about supplying goods not fit for service etc but no joy, so I threatened to stand outside their shop and tell all their customers about their excellent customer service and then they decided they could swap it after all but it took several hours to get the replacement.
Eventually got the car back together just as the light was fading and all for £50 including £22 bearing cost!
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: Tony on January 05, 2016, 01:54:55 PM
VCDS I keep hearing a lot about, it sounds good (if expensive!).

I found the interior light problem was a break in the loom wiring, back to working now a section of wire has been bridged.
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: Julian on January 05, 2016, 04:08:02 PM
Well done for locating the broken wire.

VCDS is very good.

My problem is I don't match its abilities!

I've managed to test several items, reset the service reminder (obviously without servicing the car), diagnose a fuel fault on a mates car and narrow down my alarm problem to the CCM.  I've also managed to code the remote locking on two new keys but now need someone with different software to pull the SKC/PIN from the instrument cluster in order to program the immobiliser.

You can download a free version of VCDS and use a cheap Chinese lead ... Jules has done it, but it just didn't work for me.  The free version obviously doesn't have all the functionality of the full version.

You also get technical backup from RossTec with the full version.  I've contacted them once already and they were extremely helpful.

It would have been interesting to see if VCDS gave any pointers to your broken wire.
Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: Tony on January 05, 2016, 08:30:14 PM
OK I might ask Jules exactly what he got and see how it goes.  Can't really have the analyser costing a significant portion of the value of the car, good or not :)

It would have been useful to switch the output on and off to make tracing quicker, I had to either wait for the internal light to time-out or press the keyfob while probing with the multimeter.

As an aside I had the dubious pleasure of seeing a less than 6 month old Audi Quattro ramming a bollard on the school run today, the plastic breaking noises were painful to hear.

Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: Chug on January 05, 2016, 09:37:14 PM
I may be wrong but I think there is some sort of vw based forum tech stuff on VOD for members to borrow similar to forum timing tool, I'm pretty sure I read that someone made up a lead, but like  Julian, it tests my limits

Edit: had a search ere ya go
http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/mybbforum/showthread.php?tid=40756


Title: Re: Passat pass
Post by: Tony on January 07, 2016, 12:49:58 PM
Well spotted, I'll have a read of that thread.