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Biodiesel => Biodiesel equipment => Topic started by: Julian on March 29, 2015, 08:26:52 PM

Title: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: Julian on March 29, 2015, 08:26:52 PM
Frankinpump started making some rather loud noises the last time I used it.

Removing the pump from my tangle of pipe work, reveled a broken cooling fan.

Oh dear, how do I fix this on a Sunday?  Answers on a post card please.



(http://www.biopowered.co.uk/w/images/5/5d/TAM_120_broken_cooling_fan.jpg)

(http://www.biopowered.co.uk/w/images/8/83/TAM_120_cooling_fan.png)

(http://www.biopowered.co.uk/w/images/e/e7/TAM_120_cooling_fan_print.jpg)


I've increased the size of most part for added strength given the blades large radiuses at their intersections and extended them to the central boss.  I'm not sure if this will affect the efficiency, but it will make them much stronger.


I'll add a write up on the 3D parts page of the wiki.
Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: Jamesrl on March 29, 2015, 08:42:33 PM
And peeps ask why would we need a 3d printer.

I'd have gone for intermediate blades similar to the original ones as well.

All decent pumps have 12 fan blades.
Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: Julian on March 29, 2015, 08:59:19 PM
I did look on Google images to check about extending the blades to the boss and the number of blades seem to vary between 5 and 16.

I have a suspicion that the gap between the blades and the boss may act like a suction port, but we'll see when I get the thing put back together.  As long as it shifts a reasonable volume of air I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: K.H on March 29, 2015, 09:20:51 PM
I bet you broke it on purpose just so you could use that damn 3D printer thingy
Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: Jamesrl on March 29, 2015, 09:31:01 PM
Envy and Jealousy, just 'cause you ain't got one.
Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: Jamesrl on March 29, 2015, 09:35:06 PM

I have a suspicion that the gap between the blades and the boss may act like a suction port,

I think you may well be right.
Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: Head Womble on March 29, 2015, 09:51:38 PM
KH is right, any normal person would have just slapped some glue on it, put a jubilee clip around the boss and forgotten about it.
Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: K.H on March 29, 2015, 09:58:51 PM
KH is right, any normal person would have just slapped some glue on it, put a jubilee clip around the boss and forgotten about it.
Well said!
Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: Julian on March 29, 2015, 10:29:53 PM
KH is right, any normal person would have just slapped some glue on it, put a jubilee clip around the boss and forgotten about it.
Well said!

Yes, well said ... I didn't think of that!
Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: Jamesrl on March 29, 2015, 11:48:56 PM
KH is right, any normal person would have just slapped some glue on it, put a jubilee clip around the boss and forgotten about it.

And the pump would vibrate like feck 'cause it'd be so far out of balance.

Don't agree with the Luddites Julian you did the right thing, left to peeps like those we'd still be living in caves.

Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: Tony on March 30, 2015, 08:02:44 AM
Good use of the 3D printer that is.  Now you've got me thinking about replacing the broken plastic fan housing on my dispensing vane pump.
Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: K.H on March 30, 2015, 08:11:10 AM
Dont you start as well! :)
Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: Jamesrl on March 30, 2015, 12:08:51 PM
Dont you start as well! :)

Give up now, you're out numbered.
Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: photoman290 on March 30, 2015, 12:16:27 PM
if you were really clever you could profile the blades to a NACA profile based on the speed of the motor. that way it would be running at maximum efficiency resulting in greater airflow thus increasing the available power to the pump by using autodesk virtual wind tunnel.
Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: Julian on March 30, 2015, 01:33:42 PM
if you were really clever you could profile the blades to a NACA profile based on the speed of the motor. that way it would be running at maximum efficiency resulting in greater airflow thus increasing the available power to the pump by using autodesk virtual wind tunnel.

Dam, I didn't think of that either.

Mind you the original fan was pretty NACAd in the first place.
Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: Jamesrl on March 30, 2015, 02:47:57 PM
if you were really clever you could profile the blades to a NACA profile based on the speed of the motor. that way it would be running at maximum efficiency resulting in greater airflow thus increasing the available power to the pump by using autodesk virtual wind tunnel.

Dam, I didn't think of that either.

Mind you the original fan was pretty NACAd in the first place.

I never thought of that either but then I ain't got a clue what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: Julian on March 31, 2015, 05:35:29 PM
My one area of excellence being heroic failures, the fan pictured earlier in the post was too tight for the shaft (printer may need a re-calibration me thinks!) and split whilst I was gently encouraging it to fit with a hammer.

So, while I was changing the size of the central hole I thought I'd revert to the original blade design as the straight blades seemed extremely strong.


(http://www.biopowered.co.uk/w/images/9/95/TAM_120_cooling_fan_i2.png)


(http://www.biopowered.co.uk/w/images/4/42/TAM_120_cooling_fan_i2.jpg)


(http://www.biopowered.co.uk/w/images/f/f2/Tam_120_cooling_fan_i2_shaft_fit.jpg)

It was quite a snug fit on the shaft as can be seen by the light coloured swarf.

A quick run on the bench shows that it shifts a reasonable amount of air over the motor cooling fins, so all's well with the world.
Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: Jamesrl on March 31, 2015, 06:15:51 PM
Very nice young man, very nice but I'd have still gone at least 8 blades.
Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: Julian on March 31, 2015, 06:35:10 PM
Very nice young man, very nice but I'd have still gone at least 8 blades.

But, but, think of all that extra plastic ... it's all right for you wealthy pensioners with your final salary schemes, state pensions, disability allowances, free nurses, meals on wheels, winter fuel payments, reduced Council tax, free prescriptions and your bus passes!

Us tax payers have to watch the pennies!
Title: Re: Frankinpump he go buggerup.
Post by: Jamesrl on March 31, 2015, 07:20:24 PM
We don't get reduced council tax and meals on wheels ain't free.

And to top it all the barstewards tax me.