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Vegetable oil motoring => Filter rigs => Topic started by: GedsJeep on December 08, 2014, 10:20:22 PM
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anyone got one of these?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Oil-Fluid-extractor-pump-12v-diesel-transfer-pump-DIY-car-scavenge-suction-pump-/390995944224?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item5b092ca320
my brushes have burnt out, anyone know where i can get replacements?
ta
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This would be my first port of call:
customerservice@deuba.info
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that was mine too.
still waiting with nearly a tonne to move around.
:o :o
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replied that no spares are available.
fuck.
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Brushes are usually quite simple things.
In the past I've taken brushes from a dead motor, filed the carbon, modified the spring or used a separate spring and fitted to another motor. I have a few oddballs kicking about somewhere ... what are they like?
Post a photo and dimensions and I'll see if I have any that might be suitable.
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^^This
Done it a few times now to get out of scrapes.
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cheers julian.
in the spirit of that comment i had the same thought this morning. so i looked on eblag and came to the conclusion that any brush with the wire in the top centre would do as long as it is of roughly the same dimensions.
will strip it tonight and have a wee measure.
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I've used the carbon out of a carpenter's pencil. Super glued them together with wire between them then filed down to size. Did it on my jigsaw 18 months again and its still going strong.
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these are a bit bigger.
7mm wide
8mm tall
16 mm long.
wire top center.
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and where can i get the wire thats in them?
i do have a u/s b&q jet pump. would that have some in?
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and as if by magic......
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111389517230?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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and where can i get the wire thats in them?
De soldering brade works well and solders easily just do not apply to much solder as it wicks down
fast.
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and as if by magic......
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111389517230?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Looks like they would do fine with a little fettling.
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thats what im hoping for. the pump still works fine, but you have to belt it to free whats left of the brushes.
and i still have 300L stuck in the front garden and a full shed....
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right, the brushes worked.
now the effing motor has burnt out.
there was a decent version of that doing the rounds, anyone got as link to it?
i would prefer 12v, but ive just seen this,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BIO-DIESEL-60-lpm-OIL-PUMP-free-P-P-/191464813148?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2c9431325c
any experience?
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Looks similar to mine, works well but noisy
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will give it a shot then. cheers
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Don't fancy rewinding the motor?
Sounds like an adventure...
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I use that type of pump for bio on my filling station. As KH said very noisy, works great on bio, but I'm not sure how it would cope with cold veg oil. The vanes are likely to be plastic or possibly some type of carbon and may not fair well if the liquid is too viscous. Many have a bypass valve built in.
For the same or similar money you could pick up a second hand Mono. That will happily pump all sorts of gloop complete with small lumps and BCBs all day long. Only problem is the availability, they only come up on ebay once in a while.
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unfortunatley i needed it now. too much oil to move around and i already had to let 300L go at cost.
findings so far...
heavy. surprisingly so.
loud. surprisingly so.
and it pumps....
had a poke around before i fitted it. seems solid enough....
(http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx184/gedsjeep/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1213_zpsjbwaunvl.jpg) (http://s754.photobucket.com/user/gedsjeep/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1213_zpsjbwaunvl.jpg.html)
(http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx184/gedsjeep/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1216_zpshhsn3mjt.jpg) (http://s754.photobucket.com/user/gedsjeep/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1216_zpshhsn3mjt.jpg.html)
(http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx184/gedsjeep/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1217_zpspigeyiaj.jpg) (http://s754.photobucket.com/user/gedsjeep/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1217_zpspigeyiaj.jpg.html)
(http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx184/gedsjeep/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1218_zpsce9m6ukz.jpg) (http://s754.photobucket.com/user/gedsjeep/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1218_zpsce9m6ukz.jpg.html)
(http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx184/gedsjeep/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1219_zpsqhrcux3a.jpg) (http://s754.photobucket.com/user/gedsjeep/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1219_zpsqhrcux3a.jpg.html)
(http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx184/gedsjeep/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1220_zpsed4rm6bf.jpg) (http://s754.photobucket.com/user/gedsjeep/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1220_zpsed4rm6bf.jpg.html)
impellor body is metal with carbon inserts which the vendor also sells.
and hes only a few miles away.
http://www.sidwil.com/
his methanol is £84 per 205. virgin.
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I'd call that more of a strainer than a filter, but I like the design ... nice and easy to clean.
Methanol price looks good ... any idea of the shipping costs?
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i asked but he said it depends on postcode.
said he`s picked up a fair few of trinitys customers lately.
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that vane design is the same as those hand cranked barrel pumps. mine get clogged up with sticky veg oil residue. easy enough to clean but may be worth while running some bio though it to clean them if you are not using it for a while.
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i dont make bio, and theres no chance of it not getting used mate. ;D
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not having much luck with this.
on off switch collapsed after a few uses and electrics box literally started cracking up as i was trying to replace it.
if i try to pump more than 60L, the motor suddenly slows down and the oil just trickles out.
will ring the vendor tomorrow and see whats going on.
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crikey that doesn't sound good, looked a beast of a pump aswell...
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dissapointed isnt in it.
anyone used this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Clarke-SPE800-1-Self-Priming-Pump-800-Watt-230V-motor-Electric-Water-Pump-/170835188133?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PondsWaterFeatures_UK&hash=item27c69219a5
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how about a macerator
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-Macerator-Self-Priming-WATER-Waste-SEWERAGE-Pump-45-Lpm-12-gpm-Marine-Boat-/371182316185?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_BoatEquipment_Accessories_SM&hash=item566c30aa99
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how about a macerator
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-Macerator-Self-Priming-WATER-Waste-SEWERAGE-Pump-45-Lpm-12-gpm-Marine-Boat-/371182316185?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_BoatEquipment_Accessories_SM&hash=item566c30aa99
be interesting to see what that is capable of, and what the internal impellor is made of and how its made
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Don't think the Clarke pump will be up to it either.
A Mono will really be your best bet. By the time you've gone through several pumps at 70 -80 quid a pop you'd have covered the cost of one.
I have a search continuously running on ebay, if one comes up I'll give you a shout, but there's been nothing for months.
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Don't think the Clarke pump will be up to it either.
A Mono will really be your best bet. By the time you've gone through several pumps at 70 -80 quid a pop you'd have covered the cost of one.
I have a search continuously running on ebay, if one comes up I'll give you a shout, but there's been nothing for months.
you got a bot running all the time on search Julian? if so what ya using?
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kubota-Water-Pump-/161550018718?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Tools_Construction_Tools_ET&hash=item259d21a89e
Kubota Water Pump
£50
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTYwWDEyODA=/z/ZN4AAOSwc0FUrEqT/$_57.JPG)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODY0WDEyNzk=/z/3A4AAOSwQiRUrEq2/$_57.JPG)
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thats the problem. its my main pump for emptying drums ect and im stuffed without it.
but cheers anyway.
i have a feeling i will struggle to return this tomorrow as the electric box is disintegrating.
looks like ive given it a kicking.
will probably end up with another of these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261724500910?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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thats the problem. its my main pump for emptying drums ect and im stuffed without it.
but cheers anyway.
i have a feeling i will struggle to return this tomorrow as the electric box is disintegrating.
looks like ive given it a kicking.
will probably end up with another of these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261724500910?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
I think those have the same/similar internals as your vane pump at the top of the thread.
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Don't think the Clarke pump will be up to it either.
A Mono will really be your best bet. By the time you've gone through several pumps at 70 -80 quid a pop you'd have covered the cost of one.
I have a search continuously running on ebay, if one comes up I'll give you a shout, but there's been nothing for months.
you got a bot running all the time on search Julian? if so what ya using?
It's just a function of ebay. You can make a search, save it and get ebay to email you notifications daily.
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151112-Centrifugal-Peripheral-1-2-HP-Water-Pump-For-Home-Pond-Garden-Farm-Tank-/291045806976?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PondsWaterFeatures_UK&hash=item43c3ae9380
151112 Centrifugal Peripheral 1/2 HP Water Pump For Home Pond Garden Farm Tank
£39.98
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFgxMDAw/z/tmkAAOxyeR9TLGdT/$_57.JPG)
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-CENTRIFUGAL-JET-PUMP-WATER-GARDEN-POND-REPLACES-DAB-/281232717748?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PondsWaterFeatures_UK&hash=item417ac6b7b4
£69.99
1" - CENTRIFUGAL JET PUMP / WATER / GARDEN / POND - REPLACES DAB
FREE DELIVERY - 5 YEAR WARRANTY - 50M HEAD - 50LPM
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjYyWDgwMA==/z/WrYAAOxyUrZSwr67/$_57.JPG)
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non of them are self priming though. :(
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301405183156?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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that macerator one looks interesting, but that £58 one above could be good if it is German made and not a chinese import.
Have you seen Mikes wiper motor rotary pump
http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/mybbforum/showthread.php?tid=38547
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yeah, i have a rotary pump, but i also have about 600L to move at a time, from and to different drums, at different heights so would be a bit of a ballache.
although i did toy with fitting one to a drill....
i think the german one may be my next try, but yeah, that macerator looks interesting
all depends on what the vendor says tomorrow.
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Get a Lutz pump, designed for emptying drums, self priming, ive used mine for emptying IBC,s
Dickjotec has one as well if you want a second opinion :)
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which one would you recommend for veg oil?
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HOW MUCH?
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Yep, expensive :) but they do come up on ebay 2nd hand and parts are interchangable.
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If you connect a centrifugal pump's discharge to the inlet with appropriate valves, you can persuade them to self prime. Although you need a bit of fluid in it to begin with.
I do this with a TAM105 and while it can take a little while to get it going, it's reliable at priming.
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Get a Lutz pump, designed for emptying drums, self priming, ive used mine for emptying IBC,s
Dickjotec has one as well if you want a second opinion :)
I think dickjotec may have 2x now :)
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my car cost me less :-[
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my car cost me less :-[
my car was £180 :)
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vendor offered a replacement or refund. no hassles and very nice to deal with.
as i have lost time and confidence in the pump, i opted for the refund.
whilst the macerator looks good, i need something tried and tested.
either
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261724500910?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
or
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301405183156?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
or
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281234891831?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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won this at £69:89 plus £15 thats £85
same as the refund.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261724500910?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&autorefresh=true
just spoke to Hytek, the RRP on that pump is £280.
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V nice :)
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looks like the pump breaking ended up doing you a favour and getting a decent pump for the same money, result!
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hope so.
i had problems with my diaphragm pump on the car too.
after three years of constant use it started leaking, so i ordered one from a uk seller at about £10 over chinese rates as i needed it there and then.
in winter, it stops the fuel vaporizing in the FPHE, and moves any bubbles that do form back to the tank asap.
i specifically ordered one with hose tails on, but the vendor sent the wrong connections on.
when i contacted him he refunded it and said to just chuck the other one in the bin.
took me an hour to click that it was exactly the same as my old one internally.....
im sick of pumps.
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the pump still had the original packaging
along with the original shipping label.
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i fucking give up.
now my 12v supply has died.
anyone want a brand new pump?
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right, supply burnt out, pump ok,
if anyone wants a complete hytek filling set up, comprising pump, filler, nozzles everything, let me know.
im giving up.
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Computer PSUs are cheap to come by and will deliver enough juice to drive it.
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Ged, have a look at RM's scrapyard thread ... small Mono MS. Not a massive through put, but if it's working it'll be far better than any of the others you've tried.
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i got this with a lot of help from julian. ;)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321654015847?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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i got this with a lot of help from julian. ;)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321654015847?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Glad you won it ... I can't believe no one else bit (have to admit I was temped even though I don't need it), I guess that's the price the seller pays for a not very inspiring description.
Jut pull it apart, give it the once over and cover all the internals with WVO before you run it. Then post up how it compares to all the other pumps you've tried!
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finally arrived
(http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx184/gedsjeep/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1295_zpszyirp2u8.jpg) (http://s754.photobucket.com/user/gedsjeep/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1295_zpszyirp2u8.jpg.html)
now, which four bolts do i need to undo to get to the rotor/stator?
(http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx184/gedsjeep/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1298_zpsyh57a24w.jpg) (http://s754.photobucket.com/user/gedsjeep/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1298_zpsyh57a24w.jpg.html)
is it the four on the left, or right of the pic?
ta
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Left.*
*I don't own one. I've never taken one apart. But that's where I'd start.
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Having done it many times, I'd start on the left too.
There's a manual on the wiki ... http://www.biopowered.co.uk/w/images/7/7a/Mono_MS_manual.pdf (http://www.biopowered.co.uk/w/images/7/7a/Mono_MS_manual.pdf)
And a load of photos, but they show repair of the mechanical seal which is further into the pump than you need to go ... http://www.biopowered.co.uk/wiki/Pump_-_Mono_MS (http://www.biopowered.co.uk/wiki/Pump_-_Mono_MS)
I have to say it does look like it could be unused. Absolute bargain if it is.
They used to have red plastic guards on the two slots between motor and pump, but they're not important if you don't stick your fingers in the holes!
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This is what you'll see when the end is off ...
(http://www.biopowered.co.uk/w/images/9/9a/Mono_ms9_part_assembled_pump_with_stator.JPG)
And this with the stator removed from the rotor ...
(http://www.biopowered.co.uk/w/images/d/de/Mono_ms8_part_assembled_pump.JPG)
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brill, will give it a go tomorrow.
it does look unused, none of the screws on the back of the motor look like they have been touched, i just think its a tad rusty.
now, what to do with 1500L of slop.....
i can probably last another week, then im going to have to get some svo :-[
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brill, will give it a go tomorrow.
Well?
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wow looks like a good deal there Ged, shame I didn't see it as it was just along the road from me too, could have started a relay
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Well done, only took 5 pages and 15 broken pumps before you listened to good advice!! Haha
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Well done, only took 5 pages and 15 broken pumps before you listened to good advice!! Haha
we don't know he's got it running yet!
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i havent had chance, sorry.
tracey`s brother died unexpectedly this week and i`ve been tied up helping her sort out his funeral.
i need to get my arse in gear in case i need to get a refund, so i`ll try tomorrow.
thanks
Ged
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Sorry to hear of your loss ... hope everything goes well ... difficult times.
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second one to cancer in a month and a half.
Thanks for the kind thoughts
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ok, strips the pump.
by the way ged, the bit in the middle is rubber, so dont panic when you get hold and it squishes a bit.
i thought i`d eaten too much spinach.
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(http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx184/gedsjeep/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1310_zpssq4doy95.jpg) (http://s754.photobucket.com/user/gedsjeep/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1310_zpssq4doy95.jpg.html)
cant see any splits in the rubber bit...
(http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx184/gedsjeep/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1312_zpssoj3gp4r.jpg) (http://s754.photobucket.com/user/gedsjeep/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1312_zpssoj3gp4r.jpg.html)
the screwy bit looks......screwy?
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nice clear labeling on the lecky bits.
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so, connects it up, fills full of liquid veg and turns on.
doesnt self prime......
:(
listens carefully and hears hiss of inrushing air.
pisses about with hoses and tries again.
works.....
but im not sure what the LPM should be.
i`m getting about 20....
now i will admit to being a bit disappointed. so i filled my three cubbies to put in the car and looked round the shed at all the gloop i have.......
gloop.....
ok, tries the 25 micron filtered gloop.......
and it went through at about 20lpm....
so i tries the 50micron gloop....
and it went through at about 20lpm....
so i got cocky and turned round.
there it was. the gloop that wouldnt even go through a 500ish micron net curtain.
and it went through at about 20lpm........
so, first impressions.
its not fast, but i get the distinct impression that it will pump anything liquid ish for as long as i ask it to.
yes, it was brand new and after a quick call to mono, it was made early eighties.
happy?
ohhh yessss ;D ;D ;D
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We use them on ship (well, not mono - normally Chinese knockoff) for pumping sludge - as in the thick horrible nasty stuff that comes out of the lube oil/fuel oil. Thicker than treacle.
The pump will shift it into the shore tanker at about 200L/min. It is a big one mind. About 20kW if I remember rightly.
Looks like you got yourself a bargain there!
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with julians help ;)
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That's certainly a new pump from the state of the rotor and stator ... absolute bargain.
I did say that they don't have a high capacity, however, if it's a major issue, keep an eye open for an MM or ML.
One thing I forgot to mention ... don't run it against a closed valve. If I remember a conversation with Mono correctly, if an MS is dead headed, it can tear the flange off the rotor.
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nah, i can live with the throughput.
i cant see a situation where i would need 60L of oil three mins quicker ;)
im well chuffed.
thanks julian.
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I didn't do much other than persuade you to buy it, but I'm glad you're pleased with it.
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ok, verdict after a week or so.
excellent.
had a spring clean in the shed today and emptied all my pre filter drums.
pumped 800L of jelly like slop into 60`s ready for sale tomorrow.
never slowed down or missed a beat. some of it was really disgusting and it just ate it up.
need to mount it somewhere with nice long hoses coz its a heavy bugger to move about.
would seriously recommend one
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and......
back to square one.
the 12v pump i bought packed up.
the mono now will not self prime and wont clear the air....
im gonna buy a tam copy.
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Out of interest, have you checked the condition of the stator?
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nope, i walked away in disgust. will be stripping it tomorrow, what am i looking for?
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Either ware on the internal "threads" (rotor should be a reasonably tight fit in the stator) or a circular split at the flange end (you may need to pull it about quite a bit to make the split visible).
New Stator is probably around £50.00. If you like the pump, it might be cheaper than a replacement pump.
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i like its ability to pump gunge, and seeing as we are approaching gunge season........
i will however be buying one of them cheap chinese things as a backup....