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Title: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: K.H on November 14, 2014, 06:20:23 PM
Blew the capacitor up today, it popped just where the ref numbers were, hopefully its just the capacitor, the user guide only says 33uF, anybody know what one i should be looking for?
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: nigelb on November 14, 2014, 06:50:02 PM
Probably best to post on the other channel. Loads of folk with TAM's....not me though. Do you you want me to post for you ;D
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: Julian on November 14, 2014, 08:17:02 PM
Errr ... 15 TAMs out Nige!
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: nigelb on November 14, 2014, 08:32:55 PM
Errr ... 15 TAMs out Nige!

Not sure what you mean by that Julian!

Keith...Vijay has posted this from his TAM 105:

http://s522.photobucket.com/user/vijay9999pics/media/IMG_20141114_194557_zps702babf0.jpg.html
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: nigelb on November 14, 2014, 08:34:55 PM
Now I do....just re-read. Sorry
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: Julian on November 14, 2014, 09:10:06 PM
I've got a TAM 120 (least I think it is).  I'll open it tomorrow and have a look.
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: K.H on November 14, 2014, 09:48:03 PM
Errr ... 15 TAMs out Nige!

Not sure what you mean by that Julian!

Keith...Vijay has posted this from his TAM 105:

http://s522.photobucket.com/user/vijay9999pics/media/IMG_20141114_194557_zps702babf0.jpg.html
Cheers Nige  :)
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: nigelb on November 14, 2014, 10:09:43 PM
Vince has a 120. Says he'll have a look tomorrow when he's sober enough to enter his shed. I think he's been on the cider again. 8)
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: K.H on November 14, 2014, 10:53:13 PM
Now I do....just re-read. Sorry
Err, i dont? :D
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: nigelb on November 14, 2014, 11:03:16 PM
Julian says I was 15 out.....a reference to my mis-understanding that your request was for a 105 cap rather than a 120. Just me being a dip-shit for not reading the thread topic correctly.
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: K.H on November 14, 2014, 11:04:46 PM
Julian says I was 15 out.....a reference to my mis-understanding that your request was for a 105 cap rather than a 120. Just me being a dip-shit for not reading the thread topic correctly.
Ah, got it
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: Julian on November 14, 2014, 11:45:41 PM
I can do sums, me.
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: oakwoodtv on November 14, 2014, 11:47:59 PM
Found it in the manual.

http://www.clarkeservice.co.uk/manuals/water_pumps/tam_cpe.pdf

33 micro farad @ 450 volts.
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: Julian on November 15, 2014, 04:33:25 PM
This is what's fitted to my pump.

Although I bought it second hand, I've no reason to suspect it's no original ... looks like I'll be needing one soon too, so posting details of where you purchase would be appreciated!

Going to need a terminal box cover too, but I might have a go at printing one.

(http://www.palmergroup.co.uk/Bio/Tam 120 cap.jpg)
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: K.H on November 15, 2014, 04:58:18 PM
This is what's fitted to my pump.

Although I bought it second hand, I've no reason to suspect it's no original ... looks like I'll be needing one soon too, so posting details of where you purchase would be appreciated!

Going to need a terminal box cover too, but I might have a go at printing one.

(http://www.palmergroup.co.uk/Bio/Tam 120 cap.jpg)
Yep, exactly the same as the remains of mine, strange as the manual says 33 and this is 40
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: nigelb on November 15, 2014, 06:45:55 PM
From what I remember of my capacitor melt down on the lowara you can fit one with a higher uF rating but not one with a lower value.
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: hifly on November 16, 2014, 12:45:43 PM
sorry to be late with the info, i put it down to dead brain cells, not sure how that happened  8)

anyway my tam 120 has a 40uF 450v ac Cap.

Vince
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: K.H on November 16, 2014, 01:32:25 PM
sorry to be late with the info, i put it down to dead brain cells, not sure how that happened  8)

anyway my tam 120 has a 40uF 450v ac Cap.

Vince
Cheers Vince :)
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: K.H on November 16, 2014, 07:01:49 PM
Is this suitable?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Run-Capacitors-most-appliances-start-run-motor-hoover-whirlpool-mfd-450v-/261596699974?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&var=&hash=item3ce860dd46
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: hifly on November 16, 2014, 07:12:18 PM
Yes, that is exactly the same as the one in my tam120, same size 92mm and same connections, just make sure you plug it in the right way round.
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: hifly on November 16, 2014, 07:17:16 PM
slight correction mine has no bolt on the end you may have to cut that off
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: K.H on November 16, 2014, 07:18:54 PM
Thanks again Vince
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: oakwoodtv on November 16, 2014, 08:34:51 PM
Just make sure you plug it in the right way round.

Motor capacitors are not polarized can be connected ether way round.     
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: K.H on November 16, 2014, 08:40:59 PM
Just make sure you plug it in the right way round.

Motor capacitors are not polarized can be connected ether way round.     
When i get it i may have to check on here, when it blew it blew the spade terminals off, so it might not be clear
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: hifly on November 16, 2014, 09:06:12 PM
Just make sure you plug it in the right way round.

Motor capacitors are not polarized can be connected ether way round.     

Ok , did not know that
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: K.H on November 21, 2014, 06:05:56 PM
Well the new capacitor hasnt cured it, how do i test the windings just to be sure its dead?
Looks like i will have to fork out a couple of hundred :(
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: Julian on November 21, 2014, 06:09:03 PM
Even though it's new, it might be worth testing the capacitor too ... but it'll take someone smarter than me to tell you how!

Hope it's no the capacitor because I just bought the same one last night.
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: oakwoodtv on November 21, 2014, 06:32:27 PM
Well the new capacitor hasnt cured it, how do i test the windings just to be sure its dead?
Looks like i will have to fork out a couple of hundred :(

Check for continuity of the windings should be a few ohms between the live and neutral terminals
and between the two terminals that the capacitor connects to.

From the casing to live neutral and capacitor terminals should be open circuit or a very high reading.     

Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: oakwoodtv on November 21, 2014, 06:41:03 PM
Even though it's new, it might be worth testing the capacitor too ... but it'll take someone smarter than me to tell you how!

Hope it's no the capacitor because I just bought the same one last night.

With a meter on a mid ohms range connect to the capacitor a good cap will read low resistance
and rise to open circuit in a few seconds reverse the cap and it will do the same.

This is only a rough and ready check.   
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: K.H on November 21, 2014, 08:32:51 PM
Well the new capacitor hasnt cured it, how do i test the windings just to be sure its dead?
Looks like i will have to fork out a couple of hundred :(

Check for continuity of the windings should be a few ohms between the live and neutral terminals
and between the two terminals that the capacitor connects to.

From the casing to live neutral and capacitor terminals should be open circuit or a very high reading.     
Cheers, Will do
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: K.H on November 22, 2014, 06:19:11 PM
All well and good, turned out it has also melted the black connection box, so the live wasn't going to the capacitor, had to replace it with a choc block, not ideal but it runs
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: Julian on November 22, 2014, 06:28:30 PM
Good news!

My capacitor should be here next week, but I'll be running a batch tomorrow so I just hope the old one holds out!
Title: Re: What Capacitor? TAM 120
Post by: oakwoodtv on November 22, 2014, 06:38:32 PM
one connecter block or a new pump no contest.