Biopowered - vegetable oil and biodiesel forum
General => Chatter => Topic started by: GedsJeep on September 01, 2014, 11:38:45 AM
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thought i best look into them as to be honest, ive been lucky.
so, with wvo in mind ive started asking questions.
this was the AA this morning
10:06:58 : SystemSystem: Liam has joined this session!
10:06:58 : SystemSystem: Connected with Liam. Your reference number for this chat session is 716808.
10:07:03 : AgentLiam: Hello. This is Liam, How can I help you today?
10:07:14 : CustomerCustomer: hi, do you cover dual fuel vehicles
10:08:13 : AgentLiam: We do, is it an LPG?
10:08:20 : CustomerCustomer: vegetable oil
10:10:23 : AgentLiam: One moment please.
10:17:28 : AgentLiam: We would come out to this, yes. However if it was a problem with the conversion it is unlikely we'd be able to fix this.
10:18:07 : CustomerCustomer: there is no conversion. you put it in the tank as what other people call "normal" fuel.
10:19:28 : AgentLiam: Ok, that's fine.
10:19:38 : CustomerCustomer: cool. cheers for that.
10:19:41 : CustomerCustomer: goodbye
10:19:53 : AgentLiam: Hello. This is Liam, How can I help you today?
10:20:03 : AgentLiam: Thank you for contacting us, goodbye.
now to try the others
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rac via phone.
me - "do you cover dual fuel vehicles"
them - "what, like petrol and diesel in the same car"
Me - "click"
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i dont think that's so bad - i think they were asking if you meant one of the 1000s of wrong pump nozzle incidents that supply half of us with our winterisers!
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This could be a long and amusing thread!
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Would it not be better to ask if they covered Alternative fuelled vehicles.
In anyway an' anyway the AA do coz the daughter's called them out a couple of times when the HDI 1.4 fault started to show itself.
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It would be good info if you enquired with respect to use of both veg and bio with no modifications to the vehicle.
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I phoned the RAC a few days ago when the disco wouldn't start, as I was in a petrol station they asked if I'd put the wrong fuel in,
as much as I wanted to say yes I've put DIESEL in I thought better of it.
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I phoned the RAC a few days ago when the disco wouldn't start, as I was in a petrol station they asked if I'd put the wrong fuel in,
as much as I wanted to say yes I've put DIESEL in I thought better of it.
Did you find out what the problem was? (other than you put dino in it)
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As if finding yourself at a petrol station didnt mean things were not going bad enough already....
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The only time ive taken the disco to the petrol station was to fill up the can for the chainsaw. And even that was painful enough without it refusing to start on the way out : /
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I phoned the RAC a few days ago when the disco wouldn't start, as I was in a petrol station they asked if I'd put the wrong fuel in,
as much as I wanted to say yes I've put DIESEL in I thought better of it.
Did you find out what the problem was? (other than you put dino in it)
I've changed the electrical connector (the one that goes to the solenoid) as it wasn't very tight, but only time will tell.
On a side note, the only appreciable difference I noticed with diesel in it was the engine is louder, no extra power.
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Mark,
Are you still enjoying landrover ownership? Have you found things to break more or less than you expected?
Ours woulnt start the other day. We had just stopped off at the city dump, turned the keys to leave and nothing...
It happened once before, ages back, and i push started, and it was all fine again after. Suspected spider issue.
This time i whacked the cupholder / radio area a few times, and, sure enough, started.
I dont know if the spider has physical relays on it, or if its just bad connetions.
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green flag.
"do you cover dual fuel vehicles"
"yes. is it lpg"
"No, chip fat" (decided to check them out thoroughly)
"ok, ive heard of this, but im not sure. im going to ask around the office, what name exactly would you give your fuel"
"waste vegetable oil".
"hold the line"
tum te tum te tum .........
dedooooooodedoedeooooo......
sigh...............
"ok, we dont know. give me your number, i`ll run upstairs and call you back"
"ok"
"click"
yeah right...........
cue phone.........
"hello sir, ive checked and yes, as long as your insurance is aware, thats fine"
"why does my insurance need to know"
"dunno, but thats the best answer i could get sir"..........
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That's interesting. I've had a couple of breakdowns (only one fuel system related - when the pump packed in) and there was no issue with the fact it wasn't diesel. I never thought to ask up front before paying for breakdown cover. Mainly because most fuel system issues I can cure at the roadside myself.
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Mark,
Are you still enjoying landrover ownership? Have you found things to break more or less than you expected?
Ours woulnt start the other day. We had just stopped off at the city dump, turned the keys to leave and nothing...
It happened once before, ages back, and i push started, and it was all fine again after. Suspected spider issue.
This time i whacked the cupholder / radio area a few times, and, sure enough, started.
I dont know if the spider has physical relays on it, or if its just bad connetions.
I think the spider Julian's referring to is the alarm/immobiliser box I mentioned ... he certainly hit the right part of the dash. Don't hit the cup holders ... they break very easily!
Usually the problem with this box is dry joints that make and break as heat expands the board. I can't remember if the problem will prevent the starter turning or just sop the fuel solenoid working. Quick fix in either case is to hot wire both the starter and fuel solenoid (you could run wires under the bonnet ready for the next event. Just pop the lid fix the fuel solenoid wire on the battery positive and just touch the starter wire to it ... it's got no choice but to start then and no more embarrassing hanging around in petrol stations.
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That's interesting. I've had a couple of breakdowns (only one fuel system related - when the pump packed in) and there was no issue with the fact it wasn't diesel. I never thought to ask up front before paying for breakdown cover. Mainly because most fuel system issues I can cure at the roadside myself.
im just making sure as im tight.
if they come out and wont touch it i`ll be kicking their doors down for a refund
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Mark,
Are you still enjoying landrover ownership? Have you found things to break more or less than you expected?
Ours woulnt start the other day. We had just stopped off at the city dump, turned the keys to leave and nothing...
It happened once before, ages back, and i push started, and it was all fine again after. Suspected spider issue.
This time i whacked the cupholder / radio area a few times, and, sure enough, started.
I dont know if the spider has physical relays on it, or if its just bad connetions.
I think the spider Julian's referring to is the alarm/immobiliser box I mentioned ... he certainly hit the right part of the dash. Don't hit the cup holders ... they break very easily!
Usually the problem with this box is dry joints that make and break as heat expands the board. I can't remember if the problem will prevent the starter turning or just sop the fuel solenoid working. Quick fix in either case is to hot wire both the starter and fuel solenoid (you could run wires under the bonnet ready for the next event. Just pop the lid fix the fuel solenoid wire on the battery positive and just touch the starter wire to it ... it's got no choice but to start then and no more embarrassing hanging around in petrol stations.
Yep.
Landrover even have a part number for the bypass loom...
It disables the whole lot. Keys do nothing - not even a click, IIRC.
Im told that, if you know what youre feeling for, and have small hands, its possible to fit the bypass loom through the radio slot, but i tried to get my arm in there, not knowing what i was doing, and just felt a load of 'bits of car dash'.
Otherwise its dashboard dismantling to get to it.
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[Otherwise its dashboard dismantling to get to it.
On the old Disco it took me three hours to get it out and about 15 mins to resolder the board.
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[Otherwise its dashboard dismantling to get to it.
On the old Disco it took me three hours to get it out and about 15 mins to resolder the board.
D
I found an easier fix for the spider problem.... I sold the manual Disco and bought an auto one.
The autos dont have the spider.
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we use green flag. covers both the van and the car 3 named drivers. van is 1991 car is 1998 £120 a year. most of the time when we have had to use them they have a quick look and call out the recovery truck rather that try and fix it. when they have fixed it is is usually a bodge i end up fixing myself anyway. when i used international breakdown they couldnt find me on the main road between buckingham and milton keynes in daylight for 5 hours, then stopped at newport pagnell services for 3 hours as well. 11 hours to get from buckingham to cambridge.
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AA, RAC and Autoaid have all collected dead cars for me with no explanation required, even when veg had caused the pump on the Estima to leak so badly it didn't have enough power to move the guy just hooked it up and driven away.
The RAC have been the most spectacularly dimwitted so far though, having sent out a regular van to pick up a lwb transit minibus and on top of that at Easter my phonecall to them had 5 mins of me walking down the hard shoulder proving to them there was no emergency phone near me, that wouldn't have been too bad but then they scrambled my details from 2 adults, 6 kids and a caravan to 5 adults and bulky luggage took another half hour to sort out a loan car to get the rest of us home.
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Mark,
Are you still enjoying landrover ownership? Have you found things to break more or less than you expected?
Ours woulnt start the other day. We had just stopped off at the city dump, turned the keys to leave and nothing...
It happened once before, ages back, and i push started, and it was all fine again after. Suspected spider issue.
This time i whacked the cupholder / radio area a few times, and, sure enough, started.
I dont know if the spider has physical relays on it, or if its just bad connetions.
I'm still enjoying it.
Not had to change to many parts as yet, just thermostat, A/C belt tensioner, aux belt, starter motor, rear discs and pads, exhaust manifold gasket, exhaust down pipe (came with a spare), rear door central locking solenoid and a plastic three way connector on the cooling system.
Plus replace a few lecy connecters.
I've just ordered a set of valve stem seals and the tool to compress the valves without removing the head, hopefully this will stop the cloud of blue smoke when first starting or if ideling for to long.
Not too bad in 5k, bearing in mind I've done some green laneing and pay & play sites.
All in all I love it, easy to fix and for fills my tinkering needs.
Plus it's great fun off road.
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Mark,
Are you still enjoying landrover ownership? Have you found things to break more or less than you expected?
Ours woulnt start the other day. We had just stopped off at the city dump, turned the keys to leave and nothing...
It happened once before, ages back, and i push started, and it was all fine again after. Suspected spider issue.
This time i whacked the cupholder / radio area a few times, and, sure enough, started.
I dont know if the spider has physical relays on it, or if its just bad connetions.
I'm still enjoying it.
Not had to change to many parts as yet, just thermostat, A/C belt tensioner, aux belt, starter motor, rear discs and pads, exhaust manifold gasket, exhaust down pipe (came with a spare), rear door central locking solenoid and a plastic three way connector on the cooling system.
Plus replace a few lecy connecters.
I've just ordered a set of valve stem seals and the tool to compress the valves without removing the head, hopefully this will stop the cloud of blue smoke when first starting or if ideling for to long.
Not too bad in 5k, bearing in mind I've done some green laneing and pay & play sites.
All in all I love it, easy to fix and for fills my tinkering needs.
Plus it's great fun off road.
I've had the valve guides break before now, so no matter how good the seal is it will still leak oil to the exhaust port.
Don't know how this compressor works, sounds interesting, but if it allows you to give the top of the guide a good tug, give it a try. Paddocks parts are very cheap about 99p if I remember, but they need reaming to fit ... beggers belief in this day and age!
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Mark,
Are you still enjoying landrover ownership? Have you found things to break more or less than you expected?
Ours woulnt start the other day. We had just stopped off at the city dump, turned the keys to leave and nothing...
It happened once before, ages back, and i push started, and it was all fine again after. Suspected spider issue.
This time i whacked the cupholder / radio area a few times, and, sure enough, started.
I dont know if the spider has physical relays on it, or if its just bad connetions.
I'm still enjoying it.
Not had to change to many parts as yet, just thermostat, A/C belt tensioner, aux belt, starter motor, rear discs and pads, exhaust manifold gasket, exhaust down pipe (came with a spare), rear door central locking solenoid and a plastic three way connector on the cooling system.
Plus replace a few lecy connecters.
I've just ordered a set of valve stem seals and the tool to compress the valves without removing the head, hopefully this will stop the cloud of blue smoke when first starting or if ideling for to long.
Not too bad in 5k, bearing in mind I've done some green laneing and pay & play sites.
All in all I love it, easy to fix and for fills my tinkering needs.
Plus it's great fun off road.
I've had the valve guides break before now, so no matter how good the seal is it will still leak oil to the exhaust port.
Don't know how this compressor works, sounds interesting, but if it allows you to give the top of the guide a good tug, give it a try. Paddocks parts are very cheap about 99p if I remember, but they need reaming to fit ... beggers belief in this day and age!
I'm not changing the guides, just the seals.
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Not had to change to many parts as yet, just thermostat, A/C belt tensioner, aux belt, starter motor, rear discs and pads, exhaust manifold gasket, exhaust down pipe (came with a spare), rear door central locking solenoid and a plastic three way connector on the cooling system.
Plus replace a few lecy connecters.
:o
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Mark,
Are you still enjoying landrover ownership? Have you found things to break more or less than you expected?
Ours woulnt start the other day. We had just stopped off at the city dump, turned the keys to leave and nothing...
It happened once before, ages back, and i push started, and it was all fine again after. Suspected spider issue.
This time i whacked the cupholder / radio area a few times, and, sure enough, started.
I dont know if the spider has physical relays on it, or if its just bad connetions.
I'm still enjoying it.
Not had to change to many parts as yet, just thermostat, A/C belt tensioner, aux belt, starter motor, rear discs and pads, exhaust manifold gasket, exhaust down pipe (came with a spare), rear door central locking solenoid and a plastic three way connector on the cooling system.
Plus replace a few lecy connecters.
I've just ordered a set of valve stem seals and the tool to compress the valves without removing the head, hopefully this will stop the cloud of blue smoke when first starting or if ideling for to long.
Not too bad in 5k, bearing in mind I've done some green laneing and pay & play sites.
All in all I love it, easy to fix and for fills my tinkering needs.
Plus it's great fun off road.
I've had the valve guides break before now, so no matter how good the seal is it will still leak oil to the exhaust port.
Don't know how this compressor works, sounds interesting, but if it allows you to give the top of the guide a good tug, give it a try. Paddocks parts are very cheap about 99p if I remember, but they need reaming to fit ... beggers belief in this day and age!
I'm not changing the guides, just the seals.
I know that!
A snapped guide will give the same effect as as a worn seal. But you can't tell if the guide is broken until you take it appart.
If you're taking the rocker shaft off it will be worth having a few lash caps handy too. They often wear through the hardened surface and are only pennys to replace.
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For the first time this year I got breakdown cover for me and the wife.
And I actually broke down.
I'm with the RAC
I broke down on the edge of town on a country road.
Rang up they asked me for a postcode!
It took 30mins with the girl staring at google maps and me direction her finger and she still sent the guy two miles in the wrong direction.
Nice guy told him what tools I needed did it my self, found a snapped belt.
So he towed me home and said he's not gonna recorded it as he didn't do anything.
Never mentioned that it wasnt diesel in the injectors.
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post code? what? you are one of those weideos who doesnt have a satnav?
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post code? what? you are one of those weideos who doesnt have a satnav?
I do have a satnav the problem was i was talking to her on it.
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;D bit like ntl telling me that i could find all the infomation about getting online on their website, while i was trying to get online.
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Mark,
Are you still enjoying landrover ownership? Have you found things to break more or less than you expected?
Ours woulnt start the other day. We had just stopped off at the city dump, turned the keys to leave and nothing...
It happened once before, ages back, and i push started, and it was all fine again after. Suspected spider issue.
This time i whacked the cupholder / radio area a few times, and, sure enough, started.
I dont know if the spider has physical relays on it, or if its just bad connetions.
I'm still enjoying it.
Not had to change to many parts as yet, just thermostat, A/C belt tensioner, aux belt, starter motor, rear discs and pads, exhaust manifold gasket, exhaust down pipe (came with a spare), rear door central locking solenoid and a plastic three way connector on the cooling system.
Plus replace a few lecy connecters.
I've just ordered a set of valve stem seals and the tool to compress the valves without removing the head, hopefully this will stop the cloud of blue smoke when first starting or if ideling for to long.
Not too bad in 5k, bearing in mind I've done some green laneing and pay & play sites.
All in all I love it, easy to fix and for fills my tinkering needs.
Plus it's great fun off road.
I've had the valve guides break before now, so no matter how good the seal is it will still leak oil to the exhaust port.
Don't know how this compressor works, sounds interesting, but if it allows you to give the top of the guide a good tug, give it a try. Paddocks parts are very cheap about 99p if I remember, but they need reaming to fit ... beggers belief in this day and age!
I'm not changing the guides, just the seals.
I know that!
A snapped guide will give the same effect as as a worn seal. But you can't tell if the guide is broken until you take it appart.
If you're taking the rocker shaft off it will be worth having a few lash caps handy too. They often wear through the hardened surface and are only pennys to replace.
What are lash caps ?
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I can't believe that LR owners think this level of maintenance is normal ;)
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I can't believe that LR owners think this level of maintenance is normal ;)
It's not, I've been skimping on it.
I should have greased the props, cleaned out the hand break drum, re-undersealed the bits that have been worn off, and that's just the extra stuff you should do after a bit of off roading.
I forgot to mention earlier that I've also welded up the inner arches, fitted a steering guard and tree sliders.
As Julian told me when I brought it, "LR's are like mistresses, they require constant attention" and a drip feed of new parts.
Would I sell it, no, well, only to buy a newer one.
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To answer your question Mark, lash caps are the hardened metal cups that sit on top of the valve stems and protect them from the battering the end of the rocker arms try to inflict on them.
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As regards recovery, I am with the RAC. I got recovered last year from Andover back to Cornwall with the Discovery, three adults, three kids and the caravan.
At no point did the initial attending van driver, or the two tow truck drivers (we switched recovery truck at Thornfalcon, near Taunton) ask what it was running on (and I didn't volunteer the info either just to be safe)
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Have you checked the reticulating flanges, energised the aerotootler and inspected the blinker fluid level?
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Have you checked the reticulating flanges, energised the aerotootler and inspected the blinker fluid level?
And don't forget the giggle stick and wangle flange as well.
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Have you checked the reticulating flanges, energised the aerotootler and inspected the blinker fluid level?
And don't forget the giggle stick and wangle flange as well.
It's very important not to get the giggle stick stuck in the wangle flange.
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can't find my wangle flange, must be old age.
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I can't believe that LR owners think this level of maintenance is normal ;)
It's not, I've been skimping on it.
I should have greased the props, cleaned out the hand break drum, re-undersealed the bits that have been worn off, and that's just the extra stuff you should do after a bit of off roading.
I forgot to mention earlier that I've also welded up the inner arches, fitted a steering guard and tree sliders.
As Julian told me when I brought it, "LR's are like mistresses, they require constant attention" and a drip feed of new parts.
Would I sell it, no, well, only to buy a newer one.
Is that cos the other bits have rusted and fallen off?
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No one told me you were meant to use new parts!
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I've scrapped cars for giving me less hassle than what Land Rover owners call "routine maintenance" ;)
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and the old classic -
75% OF ALL LANDROVERS BUILT, ARE STILL ON THE ROAD.......
THE REST MADE IT HOME........
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No one told me you were meant to use new parts!
Sorry, I meant new to you parts. My mistake.
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and the old classic -
75% OF ALL LANDROVERS BUILT, ARE STILL ON THE ROAD.......
THE REST MADE IT HOME........
They all make it home, they come from the earth and slowly make their way back as bit's fall off or dissolve away.
Also no Land Rover is more than 10 years old, as by this time every single part has been replaced.
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Also no Land Rover is more than 10 years old, as by this time every single part has been replaced.
Just like Trigger's brush then.
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Also no Land Rover is more than 10 years old, as by this time every single part has been replaced.
Just like Trigger's brush then.
I reckon the number plate will be the longest standing thing on a landy, unless of course it's mountings dissolve from under it ;)
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close.
its actually the vin plate.
hence theres so many coil sprung, disk braked, turbo charged 1965 ORIGINAL land rovers about