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Title: Old wood / coal burning kitchen range, anybody know anything about it?
Post by: neisel on April 07, 2014, 11:12:27 AM
A friend has this in his garage & asked me to investigate.

Does anyone know anything about these things? Age, whether it's OK for everyday safe use, if it can be used to heat a house, or indeed anything at all? Do they have any value?

TIA.

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Title: Re: Old wood / coal burning kitchen range, anybody know anything about it?
Post by: willbuild on April 07, 2014, 12:19:20 PM
must be worth at least £200, It looks like it can heat water but would have to look at the back.
Title: Re: Old wood / coal burning kitchen range, anybody know anything about it?
Post by: julianf on April 07, 2014, 01:03:05 PM
I wonder how old it actually is.  The grate bars look too fresh to have seen much use (obviously could have been replaced), but somone has certainly managed to crack the back, and theres the bit of rust inside (but that probably happened when it was not running)

You do need to find out what it is though - it could be worth somthing more than just a stove, but i suspect it isnt that old at all (ie a few decades, rather than ancient)
Title: Re: Old wood / coal burning kitchen range, anybody know anything about it?
Post by: greasemonkey on April 07, 2014, 03:24:06 PM
Certainly looks the part. Any other markings on it? I've googled New Hanover quite a bit, and can't find a thing about it.
Title: Re: Old wood / coal burning kitchen range, anybody know anything about it?
Post by: neisel on April 07, 2014, 04:30:39 PM
No, I came up with zilch when searching.

I'll be over there later in the week & will take a few more pix.

Title: Re: Old wood / coal burning kitchen range, anybody know anything about it?
Post by: Julian on April 07, 2014, 05:15:44 PM
I've got an almost identical stove sitting at the bottom of the garden, not in such good condition though.  I recon they may have been narrow boat stoves and I agree with previous comments, I don't thing they are that old.

I did see one in good nick for sale in a stove emporium.  I think it was marked up at 200 - 300 quid, cant quite remember.  It certainly wasn't quite enough for me to rush out and restore mine. 
Title: Re: Old wood / coal burning kitchen range, anybody know anything about it?
Post by: Julian on April 07, 2014, 05:42:24 PM
Here's a photo of mine ...


(http://www.palmergroup.co.uk/Bio/Stove.jpg)

Mine has a name embossed on the flue, but it's "Masters Joy"

And before anybody asks ... Yes that's a gas bottle, yes it's still in one piece and yes the gas company can come and collect it at my convenience.
Title: Re: Old wood / coal burning kitchen range, anybody know anything about it?
Post by: julianf on April 07, 2014, 06:56:20 PM
And before anybody asks ... Yes that's a gas bottle, yes it's still in one piece and yes the gas company can come and collect it at my convenience.

Mine has not been collected yet.

The more i dwell on it, the closer i become to inviting them to prosecute me.
Title: Re: Old wood / coal burning kitchen range, anybody know anything about it?
Post by: greasemonkey on April 07, 2014, 07:21:59 PM
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/guidwife-antique-cast-iron-stove-219840786

http://osbornerestoration.co.uk/belle-portable-range/guidwife-portable-range/

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Bungalow-Belle-cast-iron-portable-cooking-range-victorian-larbert-/111313754172?pt=UK_Antiques_Architecural_RL&hash=item19ead1183c

http://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/cast-iron-range-guidwife-524-c-12dd43af57

Obviously, not everyone takes this sort of thing seriously. (Reads second comment)
http://uk.rec.waterways.narkive.com/vq77qf3k/antique-guidwife-stove-for-canal-boat

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Guidwife-Cast-Iron-Solid-Fuel-Stove-/141193755833?nma=true&si=HkM98cSu84sdXs2eBxuHeZHJZio%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557


I think it was this foundry that made/make them. It seems to go under a few variations in name.
http://www.electricscotland.com/canada/caledonia/caledonia_8.htm
Title: Re: Old wood / coal burning kitchen range, anybody know anything about it?
Post by: Julian on April 07, 2014, 07:45:43 PM
And before anybody asks ... Yes that's a gas bottle, yes it's still in one piece and yes the gas company can come and collect it at my convenience.

Mine has not been collected yet.

The more i dwell on it, the closer i become to inviting them to prosecute me.

Write them a letter saying that you will charge them storage, £2.00/day isn't unreasonable, if it's not collected within 7 days and send it recorded delivery. 

What did they value their bottles at? Was it £20.00?  After a moth write claiming a lien over the bottle.  You should then be able to do with it as you please. 

Any longer than that claim that they owe you X amount and take them to the small claims court to recover your debt.

Come on Julian ... attack is the best form of defence.
Title: Re: Old wood / coal burning kitchen range, anybody know anything about it?
Post by: julianf on April 07, 2014, 07:54:13 PM
I did get a message on the answerphone telling me they would collect it on friday.

Id previously told them i wasnt going to be in on friday....

Who knows if they came or not.
Title: Re: Old wood / coal burning kitchen range, anybody know anything about it?
Post by: greasemonkey on April 07, 2014, 08:22:08 PM
Just found this too.
Slightly different model, same makers.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Early-Reclaimed-Kitchen-Range-or-Stove-The-Dalling-/181360161620?pt=UK_Antiques_Architecural_RL&hash=item2a39e87354
Title: Re: Old wood / coal burning kitchen range, anybody know anything about it?
Post by: julesandtash on April 08, 2014, 08:25:55 AM
If Calor are so keen on their bottles, why are is the gas bottle cage at my local tip, and my local scrapyard, full of them.
Title: Re: Old wood / coal burning kitchen range, anybody know anything about it?
Post by: julianf on April 08, 2014, 09:28:45 AM
If Calor are so keen on their bottles, why are is the gas bottle cage at my local tip, and my local scrapyard, full of them.

Dont know about the scrap yard, but they did say that they collected them from the tip.
Title: Re: Old wood / coal burning kitchen range, anybody know anything about it?
Post by: Julian on April 08, 2014, 04:23:45 PM
If Calor are so keen on their bottles, why are is the gas bottle cage at my local tip, and my local scrapyard, full of them.

My neighbour works for a local council and when this cropped up previously I asked him what happened to gas bottles taken to the tip, sorry ... recycling centre.  He didn't know but was going to find out.

He also said if any one reported a bottle as being flytipped, the council are obliged to go and collect it.  From what Calor are saying if the Council phoned them, they should go and collect it and save the tax payer a bit of cash.

If I find out any more I'll post up.

Title: Re: Old wood / coal burning kitchen range, anybody know anything about it?
Post by: julianf on April 08, 2014, 04:28:04 PM
thread derailed...

on calors website, there is a sliding scale as to the amount of "deposit" you get back on return of the cylinder, dependent on how long you have had it for.

over 7 years, and you get back 25%.



if i went around collecting cylinders, and took them back for the 25% (of £39)...

...im sure i would be told that the contract would be invalid, as i did not have the original paperwork.

contract invalid.

you can see where im going with this one?


its a nonsense.