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General => Chatter => Topic started by: Rotary-Motion on October 02, 2013, 06:55:55 PM
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hi tony
i could do with a few pionters, i got a DVR unit on a house with 6 cameras the local address is 192.168.1.70 when on wifi or ethernet can see the cameras useing the software given with unit
how do i access these cameras on my phone? basically useing the world wide web
help?
these were the ports opened in bt home hub2 router
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You need to set up port forwarding on your router so that it forwards an incoming request from the outside world to your internet IP and a port number to the DVR.
In order to get it to work reliably you either need to have a static IP address with your service provider (so if your router reboots due to a power cut or the like it gets the same IP on reconnection) or use a service like dyndns which allows your to dynamically tie your IP address to a name you can enter into a browser.
Also your DVR needs to have a static IP on your home network rather than allocated by DHCP because to forward ports to it, the DVR always needs the same local IP
Lets say your DVR is, and always is due to static IP allocation on your router, 192.168.1.70
You then pick a port to forward, lets say 1234
You set up a port forwarding rule in the router to forward any incoming traffic on port 1234 to local IP 192.168.1.70
Then you need to know your internet IP address (ie your presence on the web)
Lets say it is 87.114.222.70 (that is a plusnet IP and not mine before anyone asks). You can get it easily if you just go to google and put "whats my iP" in the search box
Then, from anywhere else on the internet, entering 87.114.222.70:8080 in the address bar should hit your DVR just like you were accessing it locally.
If your phone is on the internet then that will work, as would an Internet Cafe, mates computer etc
If you dont have a static IP then, if your IP changes when you are away from home, suddenly you wont be able to connect
To get around that, get a static IP from your provider or register it with a dynamic dns client. That gives you a name (lets say kendodd.dyndns.com)
In some routers you can just enter the dynamic dns name. If not then you can run a small client program on a pc at home which updates the dns name with your IP. Built into the router is much better
Then, no matter what your IP, just enter kendodd.dyndns.com:8080 into any internet address bar and you should be able to connect
Clear as mud eh?
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the above pics are my router can you give me the numbers to type in
is it this
86.143.164.190:8080
thats my IP at present
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Ports 34567 and 80 (80 is normally a web server) appear to be the ones that are in there so try your IP address followed by a colon : followed by the port number
For it to work, those port forwarding rules need to point to the local IP of the DVR or nothing will get through.
Here is a good guide to read about exactly what you are doing http://www.cctvcamerapros.com/port-forwarding-s/130.htm
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You may need to set up a dynamic dns account, as you will probably have a dynamic IP address.
This means that the external number that identifies your connection and lets you connect to it from outside of your network may change all the time.
You can set one up at dyndns.com and follow the instructions on there.
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this is the dvr
i put the primary and secondary settings in from the BT router is this ok?
DCHP = disabled
not sure what gateway should be that was default for dvr
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Think of your external IP address as your telephone number. If you want to come on the forum and post from your home internet, you are in effect dialling out of your home to the outside world.
When you are outside and want to look at your home cctv you are dialling in to your home internet connection. Now if you need to call some one you pick up the phone and dial the number of your destination, but to call home you need to know your home number. If your home number keeps changing you can't call home.
What you have done is fine so far but you will need to open an account with something like http://www.noip.com/free/ and this service will give you an address, like kendoddscctv.noip.com then the server acts like a switch board and connects you to your home network even when the IP has changed.
Sounds complicated but you need not bother with the finer points of how it works, just follow the tutorials and you should be fine. Once setup it will work with out any more input.
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was primary and secondary needed from bt router into DVR though?
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i made a user there and now im lost
fuck it getting on me nerves now
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what make and model dvr is it? do you have a link to a manual?
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You shouldn't need to put your ISP primary and secondary DNS sever addresses in the DVR. I would just put the router IP (same as default gateway - ie 192.168.1.1) in both of them.
Clearly it is set up for media connection (no doubt from their supplied software) on port 34567 and and web (HTTP) connection on port 80
These are the ports that have been opened in your router so clearly upnp (universal plug and play) has worked it's magic
Even without a dyndns account, if you know your current internet IP address then you should just be able to enter it in a browser along with port 80 and it should connect PROVIDING that the router port forwarding is pointing to the current local IP of the DVR (ie 192.168.1.70)
Have you tried, when connected to your local network, just entering the IP address of the DVR in the address bar of an internet browser (rather than using the supplied software). That should take you to the DVRs web login page.
There is one other posibility. I have read a few reports of BT (which appears to be your internet service provider looking at your current IP) blocking traffic on port 80
If that is the case then there is no way the web server will connect from the internet as no traffic will get to it from BT.
You could easily test this by changing port 80 in both the DVR menu and your router port forwarding rules to something else (not 34567 though)
Then by putting your external IP address followed by a colon and then the newly selected port number, you should be able to connect from the internet.
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what make and model dvr is it? do you have a link to a manual?
dvr 118n
cant find much on it
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You shouldn't need to put your ISP primary and secondary DNS sever addresses in the DVR. I would just put the router IP (same as default gateway - ie 192.168.1.1) in both of them.
Clearly it is set up for media connection (no doubt from their supplied software) on port 34567 and and web (HTTP) connection on port 80
These are the ports that have been opened in your router so clearly upnp (universal plug and play) has worked it's magic
Even without a dyndns account, if you know your current internet IP address then you should just be able to enter it in a browser along with port 80 and it should connect PROVIDING that the router port forwarding is pointing to the current local IP of the DVR (ie 192.168.1.70)
Have you tried, when connected to your local network, just entering the IP address of the DVR in the address bar of an internet browser (rather than using the supplied software). That should take you to the DVRs web login page.
There is one other posibility. I have read a few reports of BT (which appears to be your internet service provider looking at your current IP) blocking traffic on port 80
If that is the case then there is no way the web server will connect from the internet as no traffic will get to it from BT.
You could easily test this by changing port 80 in both the DVR menu and your router port forwarding rules to something else (not 34567 though)
Then by putting your external IP address followed by a colon and then the newly selected port number, you should be able to connect from the internet.
i will try changing the ports 80 in both units to something else
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ok i changed the port from 80 to 33333 and in router and attachec it to dvr
still no joy in Internet explorer
but i havent changed the primary / secondary dns back to 192.168.1.1
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On the page of the network settings of the router have you checked DHCP or static routing?
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On the page of the network settings of the router have you checked DHCP or static routing?
its DCHP and not static, it says i have to do alot of stuff and contact isp if i want to use it or asomething like that
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That should only be if you have a static IP as opposed to DHCP from your ISP on the internet side.
You should be able to switch DHCP on and off at will for any of the devices connected to the local network side of your router
What router do you have?
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That should only be if you have a static IP as opposed to DHCP from your ISP on the internet side.
You should be able to switch DHCP on and off at will for any of the devices connected to the local network side of your router
What router do you have?
bthomehub2
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Here is something I got off the web on how to ensure the homehub2 always give a device (like your PVR) the same IP address...
To tell hub to always give same address
Go to Hub home page
Click on A to Z
Scroll down and click on Home Network or DHCP table
Enter password if requested
Click on device
Click on yes next to Always use this address then apply.
That may be worth a go.
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Here is something I got off the web on how to ensure the homehub2 always give a device (like your PVR) the same IP address...
To tell hub to always give same address
Go to Hub home page
Click on A to Z
Scroll down and click on Home Network or DHCP table
Enter password if requested
Click on device
Click on yes next to Always use this address then apply.
That may be worth a go.
will try that later jules thx
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I do this for a living, you need to do what I have told you to get the thing working and once it works it does so for a very long time. I have systems out there from 2005 that are still working with out any intervention since commissioning.
Turn off dhcp on the DVR and use static settings, port forward on the router as you have done. Then open a no ip or dyndns account and set up user names etc, then find the page on your router for dynamic dns and put in the settings specified by the no ip or dyndns account.
Following these steps and completing them successfully will allow you to remotely view your CCTV system.
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I do this for a living, you need to do what I have told you to get the thing working and once it works it does so for a very long time. I have systems out there from 2005 that are still working with out any intervention since commissioning.
Turn off dhcp on the DVR and use static settings, port forward on the router as you have done. Then open a no ip or dyndns account and set up user names etc, then find the page on your router for dynamic dns and put in the settings specified by the no ip or dyndns account.
Following these steps and completing them successfully will allow you to remotely view your CCTV system.
dhcp is off and useing static
port is forwared on router well took out 80 and put in 33333 now
i have a no-ip account
think its this www.rotary-motion.no-ip.biz
but these setting you say i dont know where to find them in no ip page?
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by the way it made me download an app to use, which i have no idea what it does?
DUC app
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From the internal network laptop or pc, type in http:// followed by the dvr's internal IP in internet explorer.
This should show you the DVR's remoteviewing web page where it asks for user name and password.
If it doesn't work try http:// IP and then :port number (without gaps)
If that still does not work then dvr is not operating on your network.
do the above and let me know if it works.
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Your No-ip account seems to be working as it does indeed resolve to an IP address (not the one you listed at the start of this thread so I assume your router has rebooted)
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From the internal network laptop or pc, type in http:// followed by the dvr's internal IP in internet explorer.
This should show you the DVR's remoteviewing web page where it asks for user name and password.
If it doesn't work try http:// IP and then :port number (without gaps)
If that still does not work then dvr is not operating on your network.
do the above and let me know if it works.
http://192.168.1.70
opens the log in page for DVR but hangs everytime, page just sits there
note: (useing the sofware disc that came with DVR allows view to all 6 cameras wifi to the router, and router is hard wired to DVR)
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Your No-ip account seems to be working as it does indeed resolve to an IP address (not the one you listed at the start of this thread so I assume your router has rebooted)
yes rebooted a few times jules
hehehe
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Trying to ping and telnet your no-ip.biz IP address and the ports you have given (33333 and 34567) give negative results. As such I suspect that traffic is not reaching your DVR.
I can only assume that either its local IP is not matching the forwarding rule or it is not connecting properly. Because you can access it locally I suspect it must be the former
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Trying to ping and telnet your no-ip.biz IP address and the ports you have given (33333 and 34567) give negative results. As such I suspect that traffic is not reaching your DVR.
I can only assume that either its local IP is not matching the forwarding rule or it is not connecting properly. Because you can access it locally I suspect it must be the former
can only access locally with sofware disc, not in a browser page hangs just like above picture
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Right you are halfway there! The reason it hangs is probably because it user activex controls and your security software (anti virus anti spam anti pastrami etc...) is not letting IE download and install the relevant activex software. You need to go to the security settings of ie and allow it to download unsigned activex extensions.
It should then work on your internal network with ie.
Now make sure that the port forward entries have been assigned to the internal ip of the dvr. I suspect you have created the rules for both ports but have not assigned them to anything.
If you can't sort it download teamviewer (free) and I can connect to your computer and do the settings for you.
I hate BT hubs and replace them with different routers as part of my installations.
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To be honest I am not a fan of UPNP. Maybe you could try deleting the UPNP created forwarding rule for the DVR and add your own. A quick google of 'Port Forwarding home hub 2.0' will show you how.
A quick portscan of your IP shows ports 80, 8080, 34567 and 33333 as all being closed so clearly the DVR is not visible from the internet at the moment.
I suspect that Arash is right that the rules are not forwarding those ports to anywhere on the local network
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Right you are halfway there! The reason it hangs is probably because it user activex controls and your security software (anti virus anti spam anti pastrami etc...) is not letting IE download and install the relevant activex software. You need to go to the security settings of ie and allow it to download unsigned activex extensions.
It should then work on your internal network with ie.
Now make sure that the port forward entries have been assigned to the internal ip of the dvr. I suspect you have created the rules for both ports but have not assigned them to anything.
If you can't sort it download teamviewer (free) and I can connect to your computer and do the settings for you.
I hate BT hubs and replace them with different routers as part of my installations.
i will do this but if i turn off antivirus for 5 mins will this allow activx in?
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if you look at the top (or bottom depending on the version of ie) a yellow bar appears and tells you that a program is trying to install itself in ie. right cluck and allow. It may do it if not you need to do the options route.
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if you look at the top (or bottom depending on the version of ie) a yellow bar appears and tells you that a program is trying to install itself in ie. right cluck and allow. It may do it if not you need to do the options route.
i have enabled every single activex, im getting loads of warning about sercurity now but i have tried login again and still hangs?
i see no box top or bottom to click
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Without knowing the make and model I can't guess how it works in browsers.
Where did you buy it from? can you find it online?
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This would appear to be manual for that machine and section 5.2.2 (page 43) explains exactly what Arash was saying. It does need to download and activex control for the control software
http://www.luxonvideo.com/manuals/H.264%20Users%20Manual.pdf
Appendix G (page 64) also explains, in simple terms, about setting it up behind a router
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Without knowing the make and model I can't guess how it works in browsers.
Where did you buy it from? can you find it online?
http://www.dtslondon.co.uk/shop/8-9-camera-dvrs/8-channel-realtime-d1-h-264-dvr-with-network-usb.html
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That is the one I saw when looking. I'm pretty sure that the manual I linked to is for that box.
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can i load activex separatly in?
dvr is DVR118N model
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Googling DVR118N led me to that manual. Even if it is not exactly right the right model, it's explanation of downloading ActiveX controls and setting up behind a NAT router will help you out and are well written with pictures.
Have a read of the the sections I detailed.
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whats another name for virtual server as its not in bt router, but is on the manual D-Link router pics at bottom
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is this dvr a VPN client ?
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Try Firewall in your Homehub 2
I have a BT business hub (my ISP is Plusnet but the BT Businesshub, which is a rebranded twowire 2700HGV and gives great results on long rural lines like mine) and it's under 'Firewall' then 'Allow applications'.
The printer will be a webserver not a VPN (since you are going to connect to it via a webpage)
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bt firewall is off allowing all traffic in
whats this bit???
it doesnt list the DVR unit
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That is the DMZ (Demilitarised Zone). You dont want to switch that on as it will allow all traffic to your DVR (if you could find it).
You want the configuration tab I believe.
You will need to be able to see the DVR as a device listed on the routers local network and then forward ports to it.
Have a look at this link.... http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/BT/BTHomeHub2/Odyssey_CCTV_DVR.htm
Not the same DVR admittedly but basically the same idea
(Sorry, put the link to the Home Hub one to start with - now correct link to home hub 2)
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I suspect that it is the Configuration page that is currently wrong - namely that the forwarding rules do not have a device associated with the,
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This guide is even better, it lists the two ports given by your DVR (80 and 34567) and is for a very similar device.
If you decide to use 80 and 34567 then you will need to change the ports on the DVR menu back to those from whatever you have set them to at the moment.
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This guide is even better, it lists the two ports given by your DVR (80 and 34567) and is for a very similar device.
If you decide to use 80 and 34567 then you will need to change the ports on the DVR menu back to those from whatever you have set them to at the moment.
doesnt matter what i use port wise get same hanging screen and nothing on internet
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I dont think I can help you any more mate. If those rules are allocated to the DVR118N device and that device has the correct local IP then it should work.
Maybe you should take up Arash's offer of remote connection and let him try to sort it out
Off to bed now anyway, good luck with it.
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thx jules been a diamond friend... night...
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hi
well i put some more settings in the DVR, details for no-ip.biz, think its ok
arash did you want to come in on my pc and have a look?
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Hi Paul,
Have you got a smart phone? iphone or android type thing that has mobile internet on it?
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Hi Paul,
Have you got a smart phone? iphone or android type thing that has mobile internet on it?
only when next to my router via wifi
or if i use BT-Fon hotspots elsewhere
i have andriod
teamveiwer is loaded on my pc
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Hi mate
PM me your telephone number and I will try and sort it for you.
cheers
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Hi mate
PM me your telephone number and I will try and sort it for you.
cheers
im pretty much done with it, it is infact my friends system next door and he doesnt have internet in his house so he has a ethernet cable through the wall to his neighbours router for access via the net and his DVR.
i can wifi in to next doors router i have the pass, and i can get to next doors DVR as i have the key, hes been away all weekend.
your welcome to get in on me pc to prod about in settings if you wish, i can log into tnext doors router.
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Every time I peer at this thread someone has answered all the technical stuff already :)
NAT is a tricky thing, as said above all you need to know is you have two distinct networks, your house - Local Area Network (LAN: typically 192.168.x.x addresses) and the rest of the internet - Wide Area Network (WAN: everything else).
Your modem/router will have a WAN address which anyone on the internet can connect to. Network Address Translation (NAT) is the translation between WAN and LAN. So you need to tell your router how to take a WAN access and connect it to one of your LAN machines (in this case your PVR). This is done by port forwarding.
So say you access your WAN address with a web browser, it will connect to your WAN IP address on port 80 and effectively say "gimme a webpage".
If you have that port 80 forwarded to your PVR, then that router will pass it on to the PVR, so the PVR sees "gimme a webpage" and will return it to the router which passes it on via the WAN side to the web browser that requested it.
Sounds more complicated than it is!
So all you need is a rule that takes WAN port 80, and maps it to a LAN address also on port 80.
The only complication is that your WAN address can keep changing, which is where the whole dyndns type thing helps (gives it a name which tracks the WAN address)
I guess a lot of that has been covered above but figured a recap in different words might help :)
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think i done all that, thats why its confusing me, i know port forwarding, just missing something somewhere
i have a ni-ip account which is in router and DVR if inputted correctly no idea? but alsong as router doesnt power down and back on the wan addy should be same but cant get shizz on it.
locally i get the DVR log in page in IE browser
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Your IP: 86.149.241.49
What Port? 80
Success: I can see your service on 86.149.241.49 on port (80)
Your ISP is not blocking port 80
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ok i have the cameras on my andriod phone with above ip
cant get it on internet page though
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You've done it mate
Putting that IP address and port 80 or rotary-motion.no-ip.biz and port 80 (or actually no port at all as http defaults to port 80) gives me the login page of the DVR
Default login details allow me to login to the DVR but there dont appear to be any cameras connected (or maybe it doesn't work with chrome, will try IE in a minute)
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You've done it mate
Putting that IP address and port 80 or rotary-motion.no-ip.biz and port 80 (or actually no port at all as http defaults to port 80) gives me the login page of the DVR
Default login details allow me to login to the DVR but there dont appear to be any cameras connected (or maybe it doesn't work with chrome, will try IE in a minute)
are you useing this ?
www.rotary-motion.no-ip.biz
nothing happens for me?
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It wont if you are on the network internally. If your computer or phone is connected to the same network as the DVR then you will not be able to access anything using the external IP address or the .no-ip.biz name as your are trying to route out of the network and back in.
If your phone were connected to mobile internet or somebody else's wifi (or a hotspot) then you would be able to
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What have you done? I cant access it now!
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i was my own network
its on try again
86.149.241.49
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anyone know an old browser and not the latest IE or chrome
i can see the dashboard but it wont load cameras in? perhap DVR is shite? compatibility issue maybe?
im useing VMEYE on my phone to see cameras and work ok via the web now
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hi all
thanks for all your help but i have another question
what is the best PTZ zoom camera to buy cheapest, but it has to have good night vision in pitch black