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Biodiesel => Vehicles => Topic started by: Tony on August 27, 2013, 05:30:45 PM
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Hi guys, I'm hiring a 3.5 ton Luton on Friday, got about 200 mile round trip to do - question is, should I put my bio in it? Or should I stick with derv at great expense?
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Bio!
I did similar once - syphoned out the diesel, filled with bio and put a diesel/bio mix back in when I'd done.
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Yeah, bio for sure ... just think of the stick you'll get if you admit to driving on dino!
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i guess the simple answer is ask the owner, you may get charged for damage to engine, we all know mechanics hate us :)
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Many hire places send them out with a full tank.
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Is this off a proper hire co? I wouldn't be surprised if there is a sign in there somewhere saying No Bio. Not that it should put you off the idea............
What van is it, just out of interest. Not something that has a good chance of dropping dead at the mearest sniff of bio.
I'd probably take a spare filter. Mine blocked in 100 miles after its first taste of Bio. You dunno what crap it might dislodge in the tank.
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i guess the simple answer is ask the owner, you may get charged for damage to engine, we all know mechanics hate us :)
NOT ALL MECHANICS
20+Years in the trade and i dont hate bio makers.
just the ones that do it bad & screw up what i have to fix. ;D
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Is this off a proper hire co? I wouldn't be surprised if there is a sign in there somewhere saying No Bio. Not that it should put you off the idea............
What van is it, just out of interest. Not something that has a good chance of dropping dead at the mearest sniff of bio.
I'd probably take a spare filter. Mine blocked in 100 miles after its first taste of Bio. You dunno what crap it might dislodge in the tank.
yeah a vauxhall VP44 pump ouch...
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No idea on its details, it's the 3.5 tonner Luton listed on U-Drive. They operate an empty to empty policy, so you get it with nothing in the tank and return it that way.
Reason we're hiring it is that we've bought a used kitchen on eBay in Stroud and need to pick it up. Can't afford the new price by a clear mile but second hand posh kitchens are fine by us - anything is better than the kitchen we had which was rotting and had MDF sheet as cupboard fronts.
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Well the 3.5T luton looks like a Merc, but it looks like just a standard picture. What appears to be real pictures of their other trucks are all Transits by the looks. So the luton could be anything when it comes to it.
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Well the 3.5T luton looks like a Merc, but it looks like just a standard picture. What appears to be real pictures of their other trucks are all Transits by the looks. So the luton could be anything when it comes to it.
AHHHHHGGGG Transits & Bio Hmmmm
only good quality i hope
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how much is the van costing for a day tony?
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Just over 80 quid, it hurts but not as much as a new kitchen!
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Just over 80 quid, it hurts but not as much as a new kitchen!
hmm would it fit in my van?
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Is it really worth the hassle?
A luton must be doing 25 to the gallon, so for a 200 mile round trip, your looking at 8 gallons, a shade over £50 worth of dino.
A filter for a Transit is around a tenner. I wouldn't bother, just make your donation to HMRC, and have a good wash afterwards, to get the dirty feeling off.
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or get some other dude to move it for you while your sat in the sun drinking pinacoloda and pay them in a certain amount of biodiesel that wouldnt even cost the 80 notes maybe?
8)
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There is always that option........ ;)
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There is always that option........ ;)
its what we all do here dig around a problem make life easier
;D
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Just over 80 quid, it hurts but not as much as a new kitchen!
hmm would it fit in my van?
I really appreciate the offer but I don't think it will :)
This is it:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Crown-Imperial-kitchen-in-light-oak-with-hob-sink-extractor-fridge-dishwasher-/290961384689
I suspect it'll be a squeeze in the Luton, which is fairly roomy inside.
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is it appliances too?
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It does look like a bit of a squeeze. I suppose it all goes flat though.
You've got a lot of kitchen there for the money.
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Yep it's the whole lot including a Stoves gas hob, Stoves eye level oven, NEFF integrated dishwasher and NEFF integrated fridge.
The oven apparently doesn't work, but they're not that complicated are they? Probably just needs a new element. I've been told by my step-mother-in-law (sounds bad that but we get along great) that the Stoves ovens are excellent so it sounds worth repairing rather than replacing. I don't know anything about which ovens are good, my criteria is "must get hot enough to cook pizza" and anything beyond that is a bonus.
I'm hoping that the carcasses will all fit in the van without further dissassembly. The van is high enough to stack them. It'll just be bit of a jigsaw puzzle to get them all in along with the appliances.
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Is it really worth the hassle?
A luton must be doing 25 to the gallon, so for a 200 mile round trip, your looking at 8 gallons, a shade over £50 worth of dino.
A filter for a Transit is around a tenner. I wouldn't bother, just make your donation to HMRC, and have a good wash afterwards, to get the dirty feeling off.
I'm inclined to agree given the risk/reward scenario going on there. Still, 80 for the hire and 50 for the fuel - it all adds up.
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There's a really cheap van hire place near you that still uses Mk5 Transit lutons which'll run on anything and I think they were £55 a day.
I'll see if I can find it and report back.
[edit to update] Here it is http://www.myhireaheap.co.uk/pb/wp_6327e9bc/wp_6327e9bc.html
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Looking at the ebay sale, I'm starting to think you are going to have a serious game getting all that lot in. No doubt if it was all flat it would go, but that is a lot of work to do that.
Don't you know anyone with a 7.5 tonne stock lorry, or something like that?
If the worst comes to the worst, there probably won't be much left anyway, you'll just have to call back with a trailer or something. At least you should be able to do that on bio with your truck.
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Take a cordless drill and some tape.
Taking the units apart would then take seconds, tape the hardware to the units so it doesn't go walkies. Putting it back together might take longer, but then weighing that against another trip to Luton?
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Take a cordless drill and some tape.
Taking the units apart would then take seconds, tape the hardware to the units so it doesn't go walkies. Putting it back together might take longer, but then weighing that against another trip to Luton?
good plan be apart in secs, yeah too big for my van, but ithink stack it right your will get it all in!
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Tony, factor in new worktops as you may find they wont fit, plus if there are any mitered corners they may not be at the same angle as your kitchin.
If you do need to replace them get them fitted by someone that will miter them properly, those metal joining strips look awful.
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I've just been to have a look and Luton defiantly weighs more than 3.5t and I'm not sure about the bio.
Word on the street says its mostly powered by crack and super t ;D
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Rossey
now that's just daft
but I do like your sense of humor
it really made me smile
Richard
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If you do need to replace them get them fitted by someone that will miter them properly, those metal joining strips look awful.
Agreed. The chap who did mine did it so well that you can barely see the join.
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I've done quite a few worktops. It's really not that difficult to get a good result if you have the right kit and do a lot of thinking before you do any cutting. If you have a bash yourself, get some stuff called Colour Fill ... supposed to be an adhesive (but I'm not convinced of it's performance in this respect) and a filler. It's available in all sorts of colours to match different surfaces.
Biggest problem lately is that manyworktops seem to be bowed back to front, and there's not an awful lot you can do about that.
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(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-8MLPRW9h5LE/UiClYwMyj4I/AAAAAAAABfE/tAC2kO79uI0/w343-h572-no/%255BUNSET%255D)
???
It all fitted with a little help
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YznvcvZOth0/UiClimRGaBI/AAAAAAAABfM/nDL-hbVenj0/w343-h572-no/%255BUNSET%255D)
The paperwork she gave us included the original quote - £9k :o
Oven alone was £1344 so might have a go at fixing it... that said the oven housing was £300 and that's just a few sheets of laminated chipboard and some fittings...
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Tidy. Took me a moment to realise it was a lickle one sat in the back. Thought you'd gone and hired an artic.
So how much Diesel did it use?
Have you fitted it yet? ;D
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I want a sticker like that for my car.
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I want a sticker like that for my car.
8)
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Oooo, How can you run the van on diesel when pump diesel itself contains biodiesel?
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So how much Diesel did it use?
Well we did about 240 miles (40 miles over the allowed 200 daily use but hopefully they won't notice and charge me 8p per mile on the extra).
We found a station selling derv at 138.9 and put in £45. Not used to the price meter going faster than the litres meter, it's a bit scary. So that was 32 litres.
Just before returning it, I noticed the fuel was a little lower than when I picked it up, so I glugged in about 4 litres of unknown diesel from a container in the shed that has sat there for about 5 years. Didn't smell off and van seemed to run OK back to the hire place.
So I think 36 litres all in, 240 miles, which is approx 30mpg. Which isn't bad considering I ragged it about the place like some kind of van racing driver and did 70mph on the motorway.
Realistically the fuel consumption is a little worse than that because the speedo over-read by about 10%, which is also bit of an arse because that potentially costs the hirer extra on any mileage over the daily allowance.
Have you fitted it yet? ;D
At the moment it's in the back garden under a tarp (also sat on a tarp so not straight on the grass) - got to figure out where to put all the units and get the plumbing and electrics sorted. I think it might be out there a little while yet.
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If you do need to replace them get them fitted by someone that will miter them properly, those metal joining strips look awful.
Agreed. The chap who did mine did it so well that you can barely see the join.
With you on that - when we did our last kitchen I did everything (wiring - pre-part P), plumbing, plastering, tiling, the works - except for the surface joints which a carpenter did. He did a fantastic job, even with a jig I doubt anything I could do would have looked seamless like he did.
For what we want here though I think we only need two strips on opposite walls, no joints - except perhaps if we can find a way to use the supplied corner unit on the end of a run - that will need a bit of thinking about.
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Not bad fuel consumption at all, considering a luton is about as aerodynamic as a house.
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"Double oven was not working when kitchen dismantled but available if wanted."
Glad I took it - it's a gas oven and has a cooling fan to blow air around the case - it has a little pressure diaphragm (just like in a gas boiler) that measures the pressure differential between the inside of the case and the outside. This stops the oven lighting if a) the case is removed b) the fan is blocked up with dust (it was!)
In addition the two knobs on the front that control the top and bottom parts of the oven, they have a little pot to set the gas mark number and the shafts have a cam arrangement that operate microswitches to get the microprocessor to open the gas valves. But the left knob pot had a snapped mounting thread, so the PCB it was soldered to could move about a bit and the cams weren't engaging right. So I drilled and tapped the steel case and a bit of the PCB that didn't have tracks across it and put a little bolt in to hold it steady. Also filed the cam lobes out to not be so aggressive and put in some copper slip - now it works a treat - one rather swanky oven :)