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General => Wiki and forum discussion => Topic started by: Julian on June 15, 2013, 10:28:03 PM
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I have a couple of ideas to disseminate to make oil collections easer, and less messy, but they are probably not enough to populate a page on there own.
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Cutting a Prep tub to act as a lid for a 20 ltr drum, to prevent water filling it where the top's been punctured by the cook.
Using a large seed tray (without drainage) as a save-all in which to transport drums and cubies
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Carrying a kit of old tops, caps and bungs for when the supplier has lost them.
Other people must have there own tricks to make life a bit easer when collecting ... fancy sharing to pad out the page?
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I have a couple of ideas to disseminate to make oil collections easer, and less messy, but they are probably not enough to populate a page on there own.
They are ...
Cutting a Prep tub to act as a lid for a 20 ltr drum, to prevent water filling it where the top's been punctured by the cook.
Using a large seed tray (without drainage) as a save-all in which to transport drums and cubies
and
Carrying a kit of old tops, caps and bungs for when the supplier has lost them.
Other people must have there own tricks to make life a bit easer when collecting ... fancy sharing to pad out the page?
I also use a seed tray as a boot liner, they do a great job, but if you do spill oil the drums slide from side to side round corners,
I've for a long time thought about adding some cross bracing to hold them in place, one day, one day.
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I don't suppose you have ever seen a galley stove onboard a sea going ship. For rough weather they can install flat bars that inter lock around the pans. Bottom one has slots cut half way through, open ends facing up and the top bars arranged at 90° to the top have slots cut half way through facing down.
They slot together forming and adjustable grid ... I had similar ideas. If you survive the BBB, and when you get out of hospital, you could make one as a recuperation project.
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I don't suppose you have ever seen a galley stove onboard a sea going ship. For rough weather they can install flat bars that inter lock around the pans. Bottom one has slots cut half way through, open ends facing up and the top bars arranged at 90° to the top have slots cut half way through facing down.
They slot together forming and adjustable grid ... I had similar ideas. If you survive the BBB, and when you get out of hospital, you could make one as a recuperation project.
Funny you should mention the galley stove, we had a tour of the ship that Ryan (my son) went on last month,
I was looking at the stove pondering the same thought.
As I'm not long for this world, would you please forfill my dreams and build "the ultamate oil tin tray" in my memory.
Tony, smell cheak plase ;)
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I hate those metal tins always leak,
I now take 25lt cubies and a large funnel with me to collections = no mess :D
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all mine have 60 ltr clamptops now...
and i guess im lucky that no containers go in my cars.
they go in next doors van :)
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As mentioned the other day -
Cling film. Wrap the top of the tin in it, and its good to go.
Added bonus is that you can leave them outside when you get home, without the rain getting into them.
I have a hard boot liner in the back of the disco, with a bit of sawdust in the bottom of it - just stops evreything getting sticky (id rather dusty than sticky any day)
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Getting some varying opinions here.
I far prefer collecting tins than cubies. Over full cubies with lids that don't fit tightly are a real pain.
From recent experience collecting cliptops for Womble, they can get really messy took me longer to clean them than collect the oil!
In the past I've had wheelie bins at suppliers premises and decanted into drums from them.
Oh, and loads of carpet off cuts over the top of plastic in the boot/load space work well.
Julian would you mind supplying some photos ... a shot of your boot liner and a tin with a Clingfilm top. (could add the cling film to the "collection kit" idea)
I can get a shot of Wombles cliptops.
All other ideas still welcome, keep them comming.
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I actually took some snaps of the cling-tins last time you mentioned it, but i think theyre still on the camera.
The boot liner in the landrover is a commercial one, but my partner made me a fitted vinyl unit for the golf, from some plasticised fabric, which saved the carpet many many times over (not from 'total loss' spillages, but from your usual oil soaked cardboard outers etc)
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I know people will know what a boot liner is, but photos, if you can manage them, really pep the page up.
Ah, you mention oil soaked cardboard, I don't get much so haven't tried, but I'd imagine it would make quite good fire lighters ... can anyone confirm?
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I have thick cardboard in the back of the truck, it soaks oil and is easy to chuck out. I have a Bungy that I fix round the drums to stop them moving around. I fix the top to a clamp ring of the clip tops I leave with a piece of thin chain so, hopefully, they don't forget to put it back on. I leave a stick in the drum calibrated in litres to avoid any disagreement on quantity.
Most important, IMO, is some old towels and a bin bag to clean up if I spill some oil in their store.
Oil soaked card is brilliant for starting fires.
Dick
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Thanks, Dick.
Picking up some cool ideas here ... any chance of a photo of your measuring stick in a drum, please? Come to that oil soaked cardboard too?
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Julian and Dick ... any chance of those photos please?
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Sorry, missed the request first time. Will do today all being well.
Dick
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Ta muchly.
Julian?
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Did not spot the post - was out all day yesterday.
I cant find the photos i took. Its Rachel's camera, but she is used to 'odd' photos being on there, so generally leaves them for me to deal with later.
Trying to find them on computers now, but i suspect itll be easier just to take more.
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This is the collection kit, card on floor, rubber gloves, towel, spare tops, bin bags.
(http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y521/dickjotec/e802201699994413de2a853d23527618_zpse4e93669.jpg)
This is two views of the contents stick.
It fits in e drum and is marked with cable ties. For the places that find English hard I leave a card showing how much I pay for the quantities then it is easy to show them the level on the stick and the amount that it equates to.
(http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y521/dickjotec/752500323fcad292c034302d9a34155f_zpsf323ee66.jpg)
(http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y521/dickjotec/4698edde11d791522be9e533a6036a00_zps4e4401fe.jpg)
Is this OK?
Dick
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Fine thanks. I'll down load the files and upload to the wiki.
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Don't forget the towel and old kitchen spray bottle full of soap/water mixture for cleaning your hands, works a treat and you can hang the spray bottle up in the back of the car using the handle.
Now I also always carry a big funnel and a jug with me. It's got me out of trouble so many times.
A simple trick to seal a can if the red plastic lid is missing is to push out the spout with a blunt instrument (screwdriver), put a bit of clingfilm over the hole and then pop the spout back in.
For years I struggled with storing cubies because they won't stack and if you try, they crush and oil gets forced out all over the floor. So I came up with this method that means you can store 36 full cubies in the footprint of an IBC without any of them being crushed. Each layer is supported by four lengths of 40x40mm timber with a sheet of polycarbonate on top
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/maxprint/Barrels%20and%20Oil/DSC06090.jpg)
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that cubie stack looks good, and im sure there is a reason for it, but im just thinking that an IBC holds 300 or so ltrs more for the same footprint?
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Indeed it does but I can't get a full IBC in the car to take it up to my filtering shed and I can't see the point of tipping it into the IBC and then taking it back out to move it especially as I'd have to keep the empty containers anyway. ;)
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Thanks Keith, photo and comments, like the spray bottle, will go on the page too. this is all good stuff, I'm sure there must be loads of ideas out there which can be shared.
I used the clingfilm trick today. 200 ltr collection from a contact I'd not heard from in ages all in cans except 40 ltrs and each can had had a large hole hacked in the top. Cling film stopped any spillage!
Julian ... don't worry about cling film photos, I have some now.
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(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/maxprint/Barrels%20and%20Oil/DSC06090.jpg)
Was there a fire at the back of the garage? Looks a little smokey!
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Julian ... don't worry about cling film photos, I have some now.
But a photo of the boot liner would be appreciated!
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Julian ... don't worry about cling film photos, I have some now.
But a photo of the boot liner would be appreciated!
And, to think, i actually picked up some on monday night (first load in tins for a while).
Back of the landrover is currently covered in sawdust. I stacked cubies in there a bit ago, and the bottom layer leaked : (
I guess that's what you get for carring 560 ltrs in it... Twice. (i made it without any spillage at all on the first trip, but i left it in overnight on the second... and there were drips comming out the back door!)
Boot liner is great for smaller pickups, but not for the real large ones.
Really will get you a photo...
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Was there a fire at the back of the garage? Looks a little smokey!
No that was haze from the sun, I'm a rubbish photographer.
If you've got an estate car you can make a couple of nice big boot liners or bunds by cutting about a foot off of each side of an IBC bottle.
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Was there a fire at the back of the garage? Looks a little smokey!
No that was haze from the sun, I'm a rubbish photographer.
If you've got an estate car you can make a couple of nice big boot liners or bunds by cutting about a foot off of each side of an IBC bottle.
What a great idea ... don't suppose you've got photos by any chance? We could also give the exact dimensions of the IBC plastic so people can check if they will fit their car. I don't have any IBCs can anyone help?
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I'm just currently just amassing photos and comments here ...
http://www.biopowered.co.uk/wiki/Oil_collecting_made_a_little_easier
So if you could upload the file and add it to the page that would be great!
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Hopefully we'll be doing one in the next week so I'll try and remember to do some non-smokey pics as we go.
I've got 600ltr and 1000ltr IBCs so I'll measure them both.
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Don't forget the towel and old kitchen spray bottle full of soap/water mixture for cleaning your hands, works a treat and you can hang the spray bottle up in the back of the car using the handle.
Now I also always carry a big funnel and a jug with me. It's got me out of trouble so many times.
A simple trick to seal a can if the red plastic lid is missing is to push out the spout with a blunt instrument (screwdriver), put a bit of clingfilm over the hole and then pop the spout back in.
For years I struggled with storing cubies because they won't stack and if you try, they crush and oil gets forced out all over the floor. So I came up with this method that means you can store 36 full cubies in the footprint of an IBC without any of them being crushed. Each layer is supported by four lengths of 40x40mm timber with a sheet of polycarbonate on top
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/maxprint/Barrels%20and%20Oil/DSC06090.jpg)
great idea chap!
8)
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cani add something
tennis balls squage in the holes i believe
(http://www.biopowered.co.uk/w/images/6/6a/Cling_film_tins.JPG)
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Believe or know? We only do "know" on the wiki!
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Believe or know? We only do "know" on the wiki!
know but at my age confirmation helps julian...
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Your age ... try being me!
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i been noticing a slow down for ages.... know its there cant do shizz about it...
:)
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For hand cleaning I carry a packet of baby wipes
all so some spare cubey lids
That reminds me to put a few more in the van used the last one tonight
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Nowt to contribute really. I scanned a ready made up WTN, with all my details on it,, so that saves time filling them in.
Other than that, I basically slop oil all over the van, wipe my hands in my trousers, or the WTN.
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I forgot to mention -
Cling can also be wrapped around groups of tins (etc) to stop them falling over.
Yesterday i had a pallet in the back of the landrover. I could have taken it out, and put it on top of the prep tubs, but it was quicker just to wrap the group together.
Indeed, i had to break harder on the way home - the corner of the group slid off the pallet, but was held by the cling to all the others (so did not tip over)
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Nowt to contribute really. I scanned a ready made up WTN, with all my details on it,, so that saves time filling them in.
Other than that, I basically slop oil all over the van, wipe my hands in my trousers, or the WTN.
Hmm, just mulling over wether your collecting tips should be included. I think most folks will work those out for themselves!
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Nowt to contribute really. I scanned a ready made up WTN, with all my details on it,, so that saves time filling them in.
Other than that, I basically slop oil all over the van, wipe my hands in my trousers, or the WTN.
Hmm, just mulling over wether your collecting tips should be included. I think most folks will work those out for themselves!
the very need for a smiley after that
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Very impressed at how the cling film idea worked the other day, especially as the restaurant provided it free!
So I've been looking at the cost of getting a supply. I recon Pallet Wrap, often known as stretch wrap or stretch film, may work well as it's usually thicker and easier to use, and in my experience it sticks to it's self better too.
6 rolls, 400mm x 300m x 20µ (heavy duty) can be had for £27 + VAT and I assume delivery ... so if you use say 1.5m per tin, my dodgy maths makes it about 3p per tin. Pretty good insurance against cleaning 20 ltrs of veg from the carpets!
Think I'll be buying some.
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I have some pallet wrap here, but i find value cling much easier to use.
The rolls are not as wide, not as heavy (so easier to spin around the tin) and its not as stretchy / clingy - which means that, every time you need to find the end again, its much quicker.
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I think 1.5m may be optomistic.
I dont know the diameter of a tin, but, say, its 25cm. That gives a circumferance of 78cm ish, so 1.5m wouldnt quite even be two trips around the tin.
I normally spin arround a few times, working up the tin, so as theres then a flappy bit at the top, which i can then fold over and seal with the last movement before i cut the line.
When times are hard, two revolutions, and then two over the top in a cross seems to work fine also, but its more trouble to do (takes longer)
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My tip, when collecting always try to steal a blue roll, i do, very useful :)
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Nowt to contribute really. I scanned a ready made up WTN, with all my details on it,, so that saves time filling them in.
Other than that, I basically slop oil all over the van, wipe my hands in my trousers, or the WTN.
Hmm, just mulling over wether your collecting tips should be included. I think most folks will work those out for themselves!
I thought wiping my hands in the WTN was cracker. Takes wile and cunning to think like that. :P
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Well, at least you won't be thieving blue paper rolls!
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the best to use is the small andywrap as you can get small handel that fits inside for super fast wraping