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Title: PD engine whats it mean on veg?
Post by: Rotary-Motion on April 29, 2013, 09:03:09 PM
hi guys

friend of mine has a VW passat Y plate 2001 with a 1.9TDI 130BHP

we think its a PD what is a PD and what effect will it have on running veg?
Title: Re: PD engine whats it mean on veg?
Post by: 1958steveflying on April 29, 2013, 09:08:04 PM
A Pd is Pump Deuse... it has pump unit injectors and a total no no on veg IMHO.
Title: Re: PD engine whats it mean on veg?
Post by: Rotary-Motion on April 29, 2013, 09:17:50 PM
ol biomotors says its a twin tank

PASSAT-1,9 TDI PD/2001-05/AVF/4cyl./1896ccm/96kW/130,56PS/BHP/4000min-1/BOSCH/UI/2-Tank-

it is an AVF engine seen it on there...
Title: Re: PD engine whats it mean on veg?
Post by: nigelb on April 29, 2013, 09:19:48 PM
I'm with Steve on this RM. Run it on well made bio but personally I think that twin tanking something like this is a bad idea.
Title: Re: PD engine whats it mean on veg?
Post by: K.H on April 29, 2013, 09:21:06 PM
Is Biomotors still the "gospel" it used to be?
Title: Re: PD engine whats it mean on veg?
Post by: Rotary-Motion on April 29, 2013, 09:21:18 PM
says bosch pump does it exist as i couldnt find it?
Title: Re: PD engine whats it mean on veg?
Post by: Rotary-Motion on April 29, 2013, 09:21:36 PM
Is Biomotors still the "gospel" it used to be?

not sure
Title: Re: PD engine whats it mean on veg?
Post by: 1958steveflying on April 30, 2013, 10:16:38 PM
says bosch pump does it exist as i couldnt find it?

Each injector is part of a pump unit which is compressed by the camshaft, they are fired off several times per stroke, they are Bosch units. a high pressure pump driven by the end of the cam feeds the injector rail and is also a vac pump for the brakes. The  fuel system has an electric in tank pump which runs for a few seconds to prime the system at startup.

The whole system can be a finicky beast even on derv.

The unit injectors retail at over £600 per unit and Vw's have them down as a 60K mileage life cycle !!

You can be lucky or unlucky with this engines fuel system ! !
Title: Re: PD engine whats it mean on veg?
Post by: Rotary-Motion on April 30, 2013, 10:33:35 PM
says bosch pump does it exist as i couldnt find it?

Each injector is part of a pump unit which is compressed by the camshaft, they are fired off several times per stroke, they are Bosch units. a high pressure pump driven by the end of the cam feeds the injector rail and is also a vac pump for the brakes. The  fuel system has an electric in tank pump which runs for a few seconds to prime the system at startup.

The whole system can be a finicky beast even on derv.

The unit injectors retail at over £600 per unit and Vw's have them down as a 60K mileage life cycle !!

You can be lucky or unlucky with this engines fuel system ! !

thx for the heads up
Title: Re: PD engine whats it mean on veg?
Post by: julesandtash on May 01, 2013, 08:16:42 PM
Have a read here Paul . . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_Injector

The PD is mentioned specifically down the bottom of the page
Title: Re: PD engine whats it mean on veg?
Post by: Rotary-Motion on May 01, 2013, 10:00:40 PM
thx jules
Title: Re: PD engine whats it mean on veg?
Post by: Tony on May 01, 2013, 10:42:24 PM
So how does the system manage advanced injection timing vs RPM (IE, the fuel must be injected earlier at higher RPM?)

Conventional IPs use internal fuel pressure to regulate injection timing (which is linear with RPM) - would be interesting to know how PD systems do it.
Title: Re: PD engine whats it mean on veg?
Post by: greasemonkey on May 01, 2013, 10:49:53 PM
I don't know this for sure, but I think the injection timing is controlled electronically, with a signal from probably more than one sensor. The injection itself is started and stopped with a solenoid controlling a valve in the injector. This can also vary the time span of the injection.
Title: Re: PD engine whats it mean on veg?
Post by: Rotary-Motion on May 02, 2013, 05:58:16 AM
not got any idea on these type engines, but on a side note the vehicle in question a Y reg 2001 vw passat 1.9tdi, seems very efficient running, the box is 6 speed, acceleration is phenominal and fuel economy very good, but as mentioned previously you get good and bad ones, so much on it to go tits up its scary... mixed in with VW parts prices, dont think i will be rushing out to get a PD version...
Title: Re: PD engine whats it mean on veg?
Post by: therecklessengineer on May 02, 2013, 08:30:47 AM
So how does the system manage advanced injection timing vs RPM (IE, the fuel must be injected earlier at higher RPM?)

Conventional IPs use internal fuel pressure to regulate injection timing (which is linear with RPM) - would be interesting to know how PD systems do it.

The injectors are triggered electronically.
Title: Re: PD engine whats it mean on veg?
Post by: RichardP on May 02, 2013, 06:28:10 PM
They are good engines, the AVF has more torque than the AWX I have, and that pulls like a train. Look after them with the right oil changed regularly and they'll go on for a few hundred thousand miles.
Title: Re: PD engine whats it mean on veg?
Post by: 1958steveflying on May 02, 2013, 07:55:17 PM
They are good engines, the AVF has more torque than the AWX I have, and that pulls like a train. Look after them with the right oil changed regularly and they'll go on for a few hundred thousand miles.

They are a superb engine with amazing power and torque, highly tunable especially if you start with the 150 bhp coz it has a stronger crank and rods I think. Just a shame the injector units are so expensive.